Tips/training on flying the 109

[The Fugitive]

I love the 109. Its a tight, agile, fighter that is small (hard to hit) that packs a punch (if you can aim it). I am looking for tips or training things I can work on to to get better in it.

Also if you have film Id love to check them out. Drop me a message and I'll give you an address to send them to along with what convergence your using.

Also Im open to some training. I do have time during the day (eastern time) that I can spend, nights are a bit tighter.....wife ack and all 

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[Shane]

It is a very nice ride and imho the 109k is the most survivable fighter in game... as long as WEP lasts, which is a good 10 mins, I think.

The earlier 109's are nice and each come with some differing performance due to production changes.

Bottomline:  109's are (or will teach you) about throttle management, use of the vertical and rudder control - the tradeoff being frustrated with the 30mm and overall low ammo loadout, but if you get your timing and aiming down for ropes or snapshots the 109s are deadly.  The biggest drawbacks are limited loiter time unless you want the hardware drag that come with DT's and getting good with whichever guns you use. You also have to watch for compression at higher speeds. The gondies are fun but come with performance impact.

Trogdor (VaJazzle), Eagler, NrShida and Stepsis (bbs Bopgun), among a few others can give you some tips and may have more 109 films. The latter two don't play currently but have posted films within the past 2-3 years.

[LCADolby]

I made some tutorials a long time ago, they may help



Onboard for an examples of 109 flying.





 

[Eagler]

The correctly flown 109f can outturn most pilots in ma...and is the most fun to fly if you can stay away from the horde..

If not I use the k4..

The g2 with gonds is a killer

Never got the hang for the g6 or g14

The 109e is only good with planes as old as it is..not much hope for it in ma these days

I am usually in a 109k4 with 75% fuel these days in ma trying to stay fast and using the vertical

MNM is a great place for the g2 with gonds and 25% fuel

Eagler

[Baloo]

I'll be happy to be your target if you wanna practice, it'll help my defense in the 38 as well 

[Banshee7]

I will look to see if I have any films saved when I get home. I know I have some from the Masters of the Air scenario, which is a little different I guess.

While the P-38 will always be my favorite plane, the 109 is my favorite to dogfight in. I’ve been considering getting the joystick and trackir back out.  If so, I wouldn’t mind sparring with you to help get you some seat time.

As eagler said, the F model is my favorite, but it gets frustrating to fly in the MA since there are a lot of pilots in faster planes (you reverse them one time and miss your shot they will just “extend” out of range). For the MA, I spent a lot of time in the G-14 with the 20mm + gondolas. You do sacrifice a little maneuverability for firepower, but I find it easier to get quick kills than simply relying on the 30mm. The throttle and rudder control is essential, especially to combat the torque in low and slow. 

[Spikes]

The nice thing about the 109 is there's a variant for every occasion. I prefer the G14 as it's the best all-around and gives lots of options with the 20/30 option as well as gondies. Historically it compiles a lot of the mid-to-late-war G6 modifications that were made that we don't have on our G6.

The earlier models are quite a bit lighter and can surprise you with their performance. The K4 is obviously the late war monster vertical bird.

[Baloo]

Banshee!  jump on in sir, the air is perfect for more 38 parts 

[mERv]

I made some tutorials a long time ago, they may help



Onboard for an examples of 109 flying.





 

great share 

OldAngus is probably my favorite 109 pilot still around today. Guy is exquisite in the G14 intercepting my bombers. A true challenge to defend against.

[DmonSlyr]

Oh boy, I've got a ton of write ups on the 109 and ACM work over the years, so I've gotta go back and find some posts. Be prepared for a super long post.

Here's the thing, you aren't going to be totally capable in the 109s until you have a firm grasp on defensive ACM. The K4 could outrun most, but it cannot out dive that well, and the g14 can hardly out run or out dive anything late war. So what you should really be working on is defensive ACM.


Here's a thread I posted with a great film on defensive ACM in a G14.
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,379683.msg5055888.html#msg5055888

Here's a post i wrote you last year. Next time I see you on, I'll get with you to work on defense counter punch.

As far as the G14 goes, it's probably my favorite fighter in AH for the most part. I've flown it for years. If you want to TA it up sometime, let's do it. here are some tips to work on.

1. Set up shots for crossing shots rather than lead shots. If they are turning, point your nose where they will be and shoot a short burst when they cross rather than trying to lead them. You cannot look over the nose well like other planes, so leading is very tough. Set your convergence about 400. Anything lower and the bullets drop very hard making lead shooting even harder.

2. Use gondolas. The plane weight isn't going to make too much difference in the MA. This will help you connect with 3 20s instead of 1 and bring them down faster. It's more important to bring them down quickly than it is to chase them with your single shooter and get picked.

3. Defensive counter punch with a reversal is one of the best ways to get kills. Since you cannot out run the speedsters, you have to go defensive and use counter punch to get them in the overshoot. Planes are usually going slower in this situation so you can line up real nicely and get a snap shot. It's helpful to practice this in the match play vs the bots because they are usually easy to get to overshoot. Counter punch defense is one the best tactics for 109s, so I would highly recommend practicing barrel roll defense to luer in your opponents, getting those flaps out quickly to force them to pass. This is a lot of how I fly that plane. The flaps are so nice in that plane and should be utilized as much as you can in a fight.

It's best used for defense or furballing rather than offense due to the dive. It's not a plane to fly at 15-20k, but at 10k and wait for opponents to come to you or go get the lower guys, but this alt will prevent your plane from freezing up trying to dive. Always spiral dive over the top of opponents. Will help you set up that crossing shot easier rather than a lead shot trying to dive vertical.

Some tips and tricks to increase performance in any plane, but I use a lot of examples. And in the thread there are some other good examples.

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,357092.0.html

[JimmyD3]

Some excellent information here, to everyone, thank you for sharing. I love the G14, but I suc in anyfighter.

[The Fugitive]

I'll be happy to be your target if you wanna practice, it'll help my defense in the 38 as well 

I will look to see if I have any films saved when I get home. I know I have some from the Masters of the Air scenario, which is a little different I guess.

While the P-38 will always be my favorite plane, the 109 is my favorite to dogfight in. I’ve been considering getting the joystick and trackir back out.  If so, I wouldn’t mind sparring with you to help get you some seat time.

As eagler said, the F model is my favorite, but it gets frustrating to fly in the MA since there are a lot of pilots in faster planes (you reverse them one time and miss your shot they will just “extend” out of range). For the MA, I spent a lot of time in the G-14 with the 20mm + gondolas. You do sacrifice a little maneuverability for firepower, but I find it easier to get quick kills than simply relying on the 30mm. The throttle and rudder control is essential, especially to combat the torque in low and slow. 

The 38 is one of my all time favorites, closing in on 5000 kills in that model. 


Thanks for all the tips. I think my biggest problem is timing. When to turn for my turn to put me in the right position for a shot. Crossing shots is the toughest for me to make and I miss far more than I make. Strait six shots I can hit pretty well due to all my research on those kinds of shots. The crossing shots I have no "point" of reference to say ----> that is the point I fire at. Im usless i the K4. I tend to fly too fast and cant turn in anywhere, and cant hit with the 30 unless Im sitting in the other guys seat.

Watching nrshida's videos showed me a bunch about throttle control. Cutting throttle when your instinct says to hammer it is one of the toughest things to learn. Thats why I like films. In them I can see when to turn to put myself where Im suppose to be. Far too many times Im too fast, or not fast enough for the situation and I end up in the tower all to easily.

I'll start digging through alll this tomorrow, today is pretty full.

Thanks again and keep the info coming!

[horble]

Your best friend in a 109 if you're ever diving is your K key or whatever you have Elevator Trim Pitch Up bound to.  It can save you whenever you (inevitably) dive too fast with a 109.

[Eagler]

Your best friend in a 109 if you're ever diving is your K key or whatever you have Elevator Trim Pitch Up bound to.  It can save you whenever you (inevitably) dive too fast with a 109.

Manually trimming it up in a close t&b fight can make the difference...

Using the vertical and manually trim can get you around much more maneuverable planes...but only if you're not in a crowd

Eagler

[Lazerr]

Manually trimming it up in a close t&b fight can make the difference...

Using the vertical and manually trim can get you around much more maneuverable planes...but only if you're not in a crowd

Eagler

Wouldn't this apply to all planes in a close fight?  Trimming the elevator up that is.  Seeing as you don't trim it into a stall?