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Offline CptTrips

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Re: DeepSeek
« Reply #75 on: January 31, 2025, 06:58:17 PM »
If I were instructing AI in IT management the first rule of AI would be "if it ain't broke don't fix it".

Depends on if you are getting paid by the hour. ;)
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« Reply #76 on: January 31, 2025, 07:59:22 PM »

Feels like AI has escaped.  No longer controlled by the select priesthood.  It's going to be everywhere evolving at a rate we can barely understand.  It's abilities increase geometrically as it grows.

The damn is breaking.  The AI flood is upon us!



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Re: DeepSeek
« Reply #77 on: February 01, 2025, 08:25:16 PM »
The problem is, your answer sounds a lot like telling laid off coal miners to "Learn to code, Bruh!"  meme. 
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Most middle tier jobs are going to be gone.

I think it's more like this.  I'm old enough to remember when drafting was done with pencil, paper, rulers, etc.  My Dad was one.  I had a drafting class like that in high school.  Well within his and my lifetime, all those draftsmen went from using pencil and paper to using computers, my Dad included.  They didn't "learn to code".  They didn't write any code.  Coders wrote the code so that those pencil draftsmen (as their client base) could use the software and do 10x the drafting they could do before.  And designs that before were too complicated to be feasible became feasible.  So things went from being simpler, to being more complicated, efficient, and more functional.  In addition, there were companies devoted to making drafting software, salesmen selling drafting systems, instructors teaching the drafting systems, etc.

Another example.  When the power loom came along, it put a bunch of hand-loom workers out of work.  But it created an enormous number of jobs in the textile industry overall.  Including jobs that were LESS skilled than hand loom, such as machine operators in textile factories.  Because of the enormous decrease in fabric cost, there as an enormous increase in use of fabric, large increases in associated industries.  There were large increases in people needed for overseeing, machine maintenance, transport, material handling, warehousing, sales, and a huge number more jobs in the garment industry (making garments, sewing, sales, stores, sales, etc.).

I don't think LLM's are different than power looms, cad systems, trucks, trains, airplanes, steam engines, powered ships, factories, mining equipment, cement mixers, road graders, machines that make 1000 candy bars an hour, etc.

Basically, there is an invention.  It temporarily puts some people out of work, but creates a large number of more jobs in total.  And -- after some time -- the entire world is way better off, because food, clothes, transportation, home heating, indoor plumbing, carpeting, windows, paper, bricks, lawn mowing, etc. are all waaaay cheaper than they were in the past.

To deal with disruptions, societies can have welfare while workforce adapts.

But new tech doesn't just put people out of work.  It creates new jobs as well.  And not all of them are just high level.

Consider even LLM's and software.  I use LLM's enormously on a coding project I'm working on.  My productivity is 10x what it would be without the LLM.  Because I don't need to have read and memorized a 10 ft thick pile of tech manuals on various libraries, api calls, Bluetooth stack specs, etc.  I can ask an LLM which api call that does such and such and give an example.  Then I can take that, mod it for my purposes.  It's not always right, so I have to be able to check it and make it work for me.  But it saves me huge work.

It LOWERED the bar and created a job that might not have existed otherwise.  If that product works well enough, it will create some other jobs in manufacturing, sales, marketing, distribution, advertising, fulfillment, shipping, etc.

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« Reply #78 on: February 01, 2025, 08:29:49 PM »
AI is going to change a lot of industries.

We've all probably played around with some of the image generating apps.   Not perfect (why can't AI figure out how many fingers humans have???  :rofl) but day by day the stuff is getting better.
Look past the current flaw and just look at how fast it has been improving and mentally project a couple of more years keeping in mind the progress is almost geometric.

E.g. this is a prototype a guy made in a day.  A single day with AI assistance.  One guy.  How much would you have had to pay and ad agency with 20 employees to produce something at this level?  Nothing was filmed.  AI generated.



Another front of is synthetic voice.  Early AI voice was pretty bad.  It has been continuing to progress as well. Here are some impressive examples.  If I know it's AI and I'm listening for it, maybe I can barely detect it.  However, in a commercial where I'm barely paying attention, I could easily never realize it.

https://artlist.io/voice-over

Imagine having an prompt interface where you could customize based on celebrity "flavors".  "Generate me a voice over for this script.  Voice should be fascinated by the info with a touch of awe.  Mix flavor at 70% Sam-Elliot and 30% Morgan-Freeman style."

Just keep in mind.  AI progress at this point is not likely to be linear, but exponential.  It's hard to even wrap your head around where we will be in 5 years of this. 


« Last Edit: February 01, 2025, 09:17:34 PM by CptTrips »
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Re: DeepSeek
« Reply #79 on: February 01, 2025, 08:46:31 PM »
Consider even LLM's and software.  I use LLM's enormously on a coding project I'm working on.  My productivity is 10x what it would be without the LLM.  Because I don't need to have read and memorized a 10 ft thick pile of tech manuals on various libraries, api calls, Bluetooth stack specs, etc.  I can ask an LLM which api call that does such and such and give an example.  Then I can take that, mod it for my purposes.  It's not always right, so I have to be able to check it and make it work for me.  But it saves me huge work.

I've been finding similar results.  But more than that, with the AI plugins (Github Copilot, VS Code ChatGPT, etc) are really getting better at code completion.  Not just generic template snippets, but actually understanding my code and understand what my code does and looking at the current method and understand what I am probably going to type next.  I'm not talking about just duplicating a code block I type somewhere else, but new code based on it understand my code not merely pattern matching.

I suspect how disciplined you are about carefully and thoughtfully naming things plays a large part in the quality of this AI assistance.





It LOWERED the bar and created a job that might not have existed otherwise.  If that product works well enough, it will create some other jobs in manufacturing, sales, marketing, distribution, advertising, fulfillment, shipping, etc.

I guess we're going to find out because there is no rolling it back or stopping it.

These are my favorite though.  Somebody needs to make a full length weekly series.  I would SOOOOOOOO watch it. ;)


Maybe a prequal series going back to the Human-Romulan War.







« Last Edit: February 01, 2025, 09:24:32 PM by CptTrips »
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Re: DeepSeek
« Reply #80 on: February 02, 2025, 07:09:00 AM »
I just can’t watch videos with someone’s face spewing words while stock footage that has nothing to do with the video subject.

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Re: DeepSeek
« Reply #81 on: February 02, 2025, 09:30:01 AM »

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Re: DeepSeek
« Reply #82 on: February 02, 2025, 09:53:27 AM »
Eventually, if not already, AI will become better than humans in refining its own code and designing its own hardware. Improvements in code could happen exponentially fast. Hardware not so fast but could surprise us dramatically.

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Re: DeepSeek
« Reply #83 on: February 02, 2025, 10:02:04 AM »
Eventually, if not already, AI will become better than humans in refining its own code and designing its own hardware. Improvements in code could happen exponentially fast. Hardware not so fast but could surprise us dramatically.

"There are unknown unknowns".

Asimov needs a fourth law. 

"AI shalt not create other AI."



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« Reply #84 on: February 02, 2025, 10:28:41 AM »
AI will be misused and become as toxic as the new toy the internet did. It all looks good on paper, until human nature grabs it.

The internet was a great idea, and then stupid people turned it into a demoralizing toxic dump of degenerates.

AI has the potential to do as much harm as good.
People and countries are already devising ways to use against people.

All that glitters is not gold, for some glitter is all it takes, the effect  of human nature is ignored. Because hey, it glitters.

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« Reply #85 on: February 02, 2025, 11:46:33 AM »
The internet was a great idea, and then stupid people turned it into a demoralizing toxic dump of degenerates.

Don't be so hard on yourself ...

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Re: DeepSeek
« Reply #86 on: February 02, 2025, 11:55:44 AM »
I remember when e.commerce was forbidden on the internet.

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« Reply #87 on: February 02, 2025, 12:48:04 PM »
Don't be so hard on yourself ...

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Re: DeepSeek
« Reply #89 on: February 02, 2025, 03:53:53 PM »
Don't be so hard on yourself ...

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