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Offline RUSH1

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Re: Economics discussion (not political!)
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2025, 06:29:00 PM »
What was done to some of these countries is war worthy.
Why would anyone invest in a country who coukd wipe your earning on a flake whim. Its nit going to happen, the markets may not recover where they WERE

This is reality, it can’t be talked away

Johnson & Johnson: On Friday, Johnson & Johnson announced manufacturing, research and development, and technology investments of more than $55 billion in the U.S. over the next four years. They say it represents a 25 percent increase in investment compared to the previous four years under President Joe Biden, crediting an increase in investment levels to the 2017 Tax Cuts & Jobs Act. Also on Friday, the company broke ground on a 500,000-square-foot biologics manufacturing facility in Wilson, North Carolina.
SoftBank: On Monday, SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son visited Trump at Mar-a-Lago and announced a $100 billion investment over the next four years with a promise to create 100,000 jobs focused on artificial intelligence and related infrastructure, according to CNBC.
United Arab Emirates: After a meeting with Trump, the United Arab Emirates committed to a 10-year, $1.4 trillion agreement with the U.S. that will sustain existing investments in AI infrastructure, semiconductors, energy, and American manufacturing, according to Reuters.
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company: Semiconductor giant TSMC announced earlier this month in response to Trump's tariffs threat on foreign chips that it would invest another $100 billion into its U.S. operations. The anticipated new chip fabrication plants, two advanced packaging facilities, and a new research and design center will increase the company's total investment in Phoenix to $165 billion—the largest foreign direct investment in U.S. history.
In January, Trump announced a $500 billion private investment in AI infrastructure led by OpenAI, Oracle and SoftBank.
Apple: Tech giant Apple announced a $500 billion investment.
Nvidia: On Thursday, the White House announced that chipmaker Nvidia would invest hundreds of billions of dollars over the next four years in U.S.-based manufacturing operations.
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Re: Economics discussion (not political!)
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2025, 07:37:22 PM »
None of these have been confirmed.... at least I find no evidence of this, I have yet to see one make a statement. Have you ever seen a factory moved? It takes 1-3 yrs. It's not happening next month. Between then and now these factories are already laying workers off starting today.

Here's food for thought,... >IF< our FORMER allies want to get nasty, which they are starting to do,... they can charge us for bases on their land, or worse kick us out, they can and probably will avoid helping us in any war. We no longer have allies that trust us. They also probably already stopped sharing intel because of the other issue and this.

If our products are not being sold there, our jobs start dumping, not vice versa. consumer confidence is in the pits, what makes you think they are going to buy anything? This can only go bad, unless he lifts them. China, Russia and N Korea love the crap out of watching us implode from within.

That said, In my world, when someone strong arms ya,.. you may go along with it and put a face on it, but first chance to screw you really hard they will. False positives.

Someone made mention we can make almost everything we use.....could be some truth to that, but many products you eat and use are not grown here. We get a lot more import products than many are aware of. Ya like Olive oil,.. pay double. Ya like bananas, pay double. You like your VKB joy stick, pay double. these guys are trying their best to smooth over a catastrophe, saving face. The only time they have to face reality is when it finally burns them. So ya,.. burn it down, make them finally feel it. I was proactive and yanked my money... I can watch this lesson learned.
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Re: Economics discussion (not political!)
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2025, 07:53:03 PM »
I'd rather pay slightly higher prices that compare to American products prices than get 1,000 a paycheck instantly deducted out of my paycheck without having any say in how that money is actually spent. Then to have it sent over seas not even benefiting my own community. What a scam.

And yet, you'd rather pay that 1,000 a pay check to save $50 on slightly higher prices... seems irrational. You support taxes on yourself but when it comes to taxing imports on businesses all of the sudden it's going to create high prices and ruin everything for us? That's irrational. Not to mention it was never a problem for them to tariffs us. What about their higher prices? Can you explain to us why it's okay for them to tarifs and increase prices on their population? It always seems like when America wants to compete in trade with the world, yall can't stand it. Further, America is providing billions of dollars of assistance to Europe and Ukraine and every where else, they should be thankful. And infact if they can sustain themselves with military and everything else, than so be it. We'll save the money for Americans...
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Re: Economics discussion (not political!)
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2025, 08:13:13 PM »
I'd rather pay slightly higher prices that compare to American products prices than get 1,000 a paycheck instantly deducted out of my paycheck without having any say in how that money is actually spent. Then to have it sent over seas not even benefiting my own community. What a scam.

And yet, you'd rather pay that 1,000 a pay check to save $50 on slightly higher prices... seems irrational. You support taxes on yourself but when it comes to taxing imports on businesses all of the sudden it's going to create high prices and ruin everything for us? That's irrational. Not to mention it was never a problem for them to tariffs us. What about their higher prices? Can you explain to us why it's okay for them to tarifs and increase prices on their population? It always seems like when America wants to compete in trade with the world, yall can't stand it. Further, America is providing billions of dollars of assistance to Europe and Ukraine and every where else, they should be thankful. And infact if they can sustain themselves with military and everything else, than so be it. We'll save the money for Americans...


there's some penguins on an island that disagree with you, they would rather not pay anything and i get the feeling they wont.



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Re: Economics discussion (not political!)
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2025, 08:21:15 PM »

I'd rather pay slightly higher prices.

 You support taxes on yourself but when it comes to taxing imports on businesses all of the sudden it's going to create high prices and ruin everything for us? .

What makes you think the price hikes will be "slight"? $10,000 on a car = slight?

"Taxing imports on businesses".. very confusing statement... who do you think pays the tariffs?
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Re: Economics discussion (not political!)
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2025, 09:28:12 PM »
None of these have been confirmed.... at least I find no evidence of this, I have yet to see one make a statement. Have you ever seen a factory moved? It takes 1-3 yrs. It's not happening next month. Between then and now these factories are already laying workers off starting today.

Here's food for thought,... >IF< our FORMER allies want to get nasty, which they are starting to do,... they can charge us for bases on their land, or worse kick us out, they can and probably will avoid helping us in any war. We no longer have allies that trust us. They also probably already stopped sharing intel because of the other issue and this.

If our products are not being sold there, our jobs start dumping, not vice versa. consumer confidence is in the pits, what makes you think they are going to buy anything? This can only go bad, unless he lifts them. China, Russia and N Korea love the crap out of watching us implode from within.

That said, In my world, when someone strong arms ya,.. you may go along with it and put a face on it, but first chance to screw you really hard they will. False positives.

Someone made mention we can make almost everything we use.....could be some truth to that, but many products you eat and use are not grown here. We get a lot more import products than many are aware of. Ya like Olive oil,.. pay double. Ya like bananas, pay double. You like your VKB joy stick, pay double. these guys are trying their best to smooth over a catastrophe, saving face. The only time they have to face reality is when it finally burns them. So ya,.. burn it down, make them finally feel it. I was proactive and yanked my money... I can watch this lesson learned.

And when they are confirmed? 
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Re: Economics discussion (not political!)
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2025, 09:30:27 PM »
What makes you think the price hikes will be "slight"? $10,000 on a car = slight?

"Taxing imports on businesses".. very confusing statement... who do you think pays the tariffs?

Why not ask the countries tariffing the watermelon out of us?  Have you questioned their motives?
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« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2025, 09:39:39 PM »
Why not ask the countries tariffing the watermelon out of us?  Have you questioned their motives?


why not ask why we are putting tariffs on islands that have no people.  that's the insanity of who is in charge.  tariff the heck out of penguins. that's insanity.



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Re: Economics discussion (not political!)
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2025, 10:02:36 PM »

why not ask why we are putting tariffs on islands that have no people.  that's the insanity of who is in charge.  tariff the heck out of penguins. that's insanity.



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I'm not really in the mood to get MSNBC with you, so how bout just addressing/justifying the non reciprocal tariffs that have been placed on the US over the decades.
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Re: Economics discussion (not political!)
« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2025, 10:06:28 PM »
Why not ask the countries tariffing the watermelon out of us?  Have you questioned their motives?

Many countries had free trade agreements with the U.S. but they are targeted too. Tariffs will no doubt raise huge sums of money for the U.S. Government... all on the backs of the American consumer.
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Re: Economics discussion (not political!)
« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2025, 10:17:16 PM »
I'm not really in the mood to get MSNBC with you, so how bout just addressing/justifying the non reciprocal tariffs that have been placed on the US over the decades.



just putting the insanity and lack of research out there.   why include the penguins.  do they even care?



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Re: Economics discussion (not political!)
« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2025, 10:25:03 PM »
And when they are confirmed?

Well, they are not, and most haven't, and that is the true point. Ya can't just say they are when they're not. <shrug> False Positive.

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« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2025, 10:53:50 PM »


Get a good night sleep ladies.

The fun starts again in the morning. ;)

(Though historically, you might expect a temporary 1/3 retracement before another leg down.  But not always.  Sometimes it's gotta fall a lot lower first.)

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Re: Economics discussion (not political!)
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2025, 06:22:19 AM »
I'm not really in the mood to get MSNBC with you, so how bout just addressing/justifying the non reciprocal tariffs that have been placed on the US over the decades.

See, they can't answer that question. Funny how they enjoy paying all these high tariff prices in their country though.  :rolleyes:

BTW, if their arguement is that taxes and tariffs increase prices artificially. Than they have proved my point I've been making for years about taxation. And for years they've made excuses about why taxation is so great. Now all the sudden prices going up because of tariffs is the worst thing ever  :rofl Its called false outrage.

Look how happy they are about China and their cheap garbage made by slave labor trying to bully America with more tarrifs when they already had some of the highest. I guess they arent concerned about their people paying higher prices  :rofl. All they can do is manipulate our markets but they won't be able to do that for long when the real economic #s come out. Infact, market cuts like this will probably lower prices and inflation.
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Re: Economics discussion (not political!)
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2025, 07:07:22 AM »
Cheap China garbage is all most need or want..not many are willing to pay more for slightly better quality..if they can locate the same item made here at all..

If prices continue to climb, in 2 years we will see what happens..my guess it would not be good for any real change the next 2 years..

Very glad my retirement $$$ are not in this manipulated market

Gets bad enough and they'll lower rates again to zero to spur on new "growth"...to be followed by higher inflation

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