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[hazmatt]

That sounds like fun. I haven't got to the advanced planes yet.

My fun lately is the Korean war era planes of which some have missles, non have RWR, and most don't have countermeasures. I've starting to get better missle SA and actually think about avoid those aim9bs (which isn't too hard) but I still get the: BANG! What the F?! Oh, missle. Back to hanger.

[Lazerr]

Come here saying disable 200?  That is an option for you already, right?

[Yarbles]

Come here saying disable 200?  That is an option for you already, right?

Its like why some drugs are illegal. I do find it hard to agree with it. But it can make sense as two people pissing on each other all day in the sandpit can smell bad.  You might not see them doing it but you can still smell it.

[AKIron]

That sounds like fun. I haven't got to the advanced planes yet.

My fun lately is the Korean war era planes of which some have missles, non have RWR, and most don't have countermeasures. I've starting to get better missle SA and actually think about avoid those aim9bs (which isn't too hard) but I still get the: BANG! What the F?! Oh, missle. Back to hanger.

900 page manuals take some time to assimilate. I do it in chunks. I really like the F-15E. Sure hope RAZBAM comes back to the fold.

[DmonSlyr]

Its like why some drugs are illegal. I do find it hard to agree with it. But it can make sense as two people pissing on each other all day in the sandpit can smell bad.  You might not see them doing it but you can still smell it.

AH is a legal drug 

It's why I'm still here. 

[Animl-AW]

That sounds like fun. I haven't got to the advanced planes yet.

My fun lately is the Korean war era planes of which some have missles, non have RWR, and most don't have countermeasures. I've starting to get better missle SA and actually think about avoid those aim9bs (which isn't too hard) but I still get the: BANG! What the F?! Oh, missle. Back to hanger.

I always loved the F-86 in AW Korea.... but that's a much different mindset from props at those speeds against a Mig29(?). You're thinking WAY ahead. Sometimes by the time you focus sights on the target it's gone. I loved it, but not many went to the Korea arena. For whatever reason that era just doesn't click with many.

I always viewed jets as deer hunting and props knife fights.

[Yarbles]

I always loved the F-86 in AW Korea.... but that's a much different mindset from props at those speeds against a Mig29(?). You're thinking WAY ahead. Sometimes by the time you focus sights on the target it's gone. I loved it, but not many went to the Korea arena. For whatever reason that era just doesn't click with many.

I always viewed jets as deer hunting and props knife fights.

The F86 V MIG 15 

[Animl-AW]

To be fare when you actually do manage to take off its something. Landing though 

You also have to set your compass gyro, correct for magnetic north and re set it after a dog fight as that throws it out. You have 3 minutes max at full power and need to manage your radiator in combat. Your fuel gauge is iffy at best.   

That's all cool, but I hear more about engine management than actual killer dogfights with other humans.

900 page manuals?,... no chance I'm going that deep, none. I'm here to fight not sit in a library reading and wishing I could fight after 20 min on runway. Hell you're at a half hr just to get into flight.
I guess if you really are going to fly a plane, awesome. But that sounds more like work than fun. <shrug> just not my thing. If it was our thing we'd been there 20 yrs ago. And as I stated above,...it's currently a mess.

ED burned bridges with Razbam, or vice versa, either way, that will probably not happen again, and if I remember right Razbam lost their programmers to jobs that actually paid instead of ED stiffing the company and they get zero. When they do monthly videos basically apologizing for the mistakes,.. they know they are in big trouble, that's body language that should be paid attention to.
They've been around 20-25 yrs too, it's possible Nick lost his way too, but holding on, probably another Kelton story. I mean come on almost 600k bug reports? that's insane. They have the same hope and problems we do. Doesn't matter how great it can be, it's got some serious issues. I don't like that they are serious money grubbers with defects.

People should do what makes them happy, thats what you should do. But as stated, this is a complete game. This is what we like, this is what makes us happy, happier if actual movement was made.

[Animl-AW]

The F86 V MIG 15 

I thought it was the 29 in AW, I didn't fly it, time turns to fog. Ya, the F-86 was a blast. But I also didn't have to go through pre-flight checklist to fly it. I'd been snoring if I did.

[Animl-AW]

AH is a legal drug 

It's why I'm still here. 

I think the endorphin release qualifies as a drug. There is an addiction.

[hazmatt]

I always loved the F-86 in AW Korea.... but that's a much different mindset from props at those speeds against a Mig29(?). You're thinking WAY ahead. Sometimes by the time you focus sights on the target it's gone. I loved it, but not many went to the Korea arena. For whatever reason that era just doesn't click with many.

I always viewed jets as deer hunting and props knife fights.

For me the biggest challege is the lead you have to pull it's sooo much more then props. That and how quick the blackout can hit you at certain speeds. Oh, and those dang AIM9bs lol. Only the late model F86s carry them for the most part and thankfully only 2.

[AKIron]

They thought the days of gun fights were over. That's why the first F-4 Phantom IIs had none. They were wrong. When I'm too close for missiles I switch to guns. 

[AKIron]

Missiles fights aren't all about offense. You must defend against them also. SA and staying ahead of the game is challenging. If you think it's just whoever shoots first wins you're only scratching the surface.

[hazmatt]

Missiles fights aren't all about offense. You must defend against them also. SA and staying ahead of the game is challenging. If you think it's just whoever shoots first wins you're only scratching the surface.

I don't have any planes with missles yet so I'm mostly trying to avoid them at this point. These early models aren't too bad if you are aware of them in time. That said it's still something I'm not used to yet.

[Yarbles]

That's all cool, but I hear more about engine management than actual killer dogfights with other humans.

900 page manuals?,... no chance I'm going that deep, none. I'm here to fight not sit in a library reading and wishing I could fight after 20 min on runway. Hell you're at a half hr just to get into flight.

My own personal experience is start up, taxi. form up with another half dozen real player spits and go to France in 5 minutes now.

I think there is a strong element of historical re enactment.

Yes less action though. I was always a big fan of "Scenario" and DCS multi player is that.

The model has leant itself to server communities like 4YA and the Reapers. DCS is a box of tools which people buy then host on a server and some collect subs. 4YA has a $400 dollar a month running cost from donations the Reapers have about 30 "full time !!" players somehow who make allot of U tube content. Its an interesting model as DCS itself is a one of payment per module but uses 200gb of memory to play and min quad 3ghz processer plus high end graphics card.  I guess about 1 years AH sub to get a PC up to spec.

For me I have to admit I like the historical re enactment aspect.  4YA fight Normandy from D Day onwards rinse and repeat and that is what I am interested in.

No auto climb, constant trim, engine management  and head on a swivel. The real deal. Immersion is everything. Just need a leather flying helmet and a proper stick. Powdered egg and Spam for breakfast