war setup. need input from everyone

[captain1ma]

ok so im working putting together some sort of battle/War setup. im using the AVAETOW terrain. it will be a winter setup.

its going to be in the ardennes forest. im going  to change the fields that are in a row to rooks and make them neutral and capturable. im going to turn Ack up, but just a tad. maybe 1.5 instead of one.

there will be planes and GV's. now my idea is to take the base and capture it like we've been doing in the thursday night tank fights. from your base, you will be able to take planes or spawn tanks.

for planes im thinking, spit5 vs the 109E only because they have similar firepower. they both hold 60 rounds of cannon. neither take bombs, so bombing vehicles isn't an option.
the idea is to promote dog fights and to promote gunning down targets at the base.

for tanks im thinking the usual suspects of
Jeep
M3
M8
for both sides.

then im thinking M16 for both sides for anti aircraft and anti Troops.

im thinking
M4-75 for allies
Panzer F for axis.

object will be to capture the base.

now for the twist. Vbases will have vehicle spawns. aircraft will also be available but will have to fly to target.
ceiling will be 6-8k depending on what i think is appropriate.

the Vehicle spawns will be very close to the base to push the ground battle.  just like the last thursday nights tank fights.

I will run it for just 1 or 1.5 hours with logs depending on what you all want.

please let me know what you think. good bad or indifferent i want all points of view. yes shane, including yours.

thanks all--Gary Davis aka jaeger1

[Shane]

Looks fun.   

I'd only suggest putting the 109f (no egg, so still fits your plan) over the 109e as a more comparable match for the spitV. 

Might want to enable the storch's for both if GV icons are disabled.

[Baloo]

 
I'm excited!

[captain1ma]

Looks fun.   

I'd only suggest putting the 109f (no egg, so still fits your plan) over the 109e as a more comparable match for the spitV. 

Might want to enable the storch's for both if GV icons are disabled.

i thought the E only because it and the spit5 both only have 2X 20mm guns with 60 rounds of cannon. while you're right about the plane. the F has 200 cannon rounds. your thoughts? and maybe eagler could pipe in too?

[Devil 505]

i thought the E only because it and the spit5 both only have 2X 20mm guns with 60 rounds of cannon. while you're right about the plane. the F has 200 cannon rounds. your thoughts? and maybe eagler could pipe in too?

The problem is that you want these fighters to both be balanced in their ability to strafe ground objects and dogfighting each other. Can't be done. Simple as that.

[Shane]

i thought the E only because it and the spit5 both only have 2X 20mm guns with 60 rounds of cannon. while you're right about the plane. the F has 200 cannon rounds. your thoughts? and maybe eagler could pipe in too?

The spit5 and 109F is the classic/historical match up in terms of firepower and performance - even in older CT set ups and scenarios.

[captain1ma]

ok, F it is, no bombs!

[Shane]

ok, F it is, no bombs!

There are no bombs on the 109F... (the 109e does have one.)

[Eagler]

i thought the E only because it and the spit5 both only have 2X 20mm guns with 60 rounds of cannon. while you're right about the plane. the F has 200 cannon rounds. your thoughts? and maybe eagler could pipe in too?

I agree with Shane..the 109f is a better match to the spitv..the 109e really doesn't stand a chance imo

Eagler

[Devil 505]

The spit5 and 109F is the classic/historical match up in terms of firepower and performance - even in older CT set ups and scenarios.

You missed my point entirely. Jaeger wasn't just looking for a fighter vs fighter matchup. SpitV vs 109F is perfect for that.

The problem arises when comparing their ability to strafe down objects. The 109F is better there because of it's larger 20mm ammo load.

[captain1ma]

ok guys thanks, thats why im asking. i was looking at it from a fairness point of view. i knew the E against the spitV could be an issue because of performance. thanks.

The problem arises when comparing their ability to strafe down objects. The 109F is better there because of it's larger 20mm ammo load.

i was taking that into consideration hence the E. you are right about the 20mm load. we'll just have to chance it and see how it goes. if i can get the arena setup, we might test it on monday night for Monday night madness!

[Shane]

You missed my point entirely. Jaeger wasn't just looking for a fighter vs fighter matchup. SpitV vs 109F is perfect for that.

The problem arises when comparing their ability to strafe down objects. The 109F is better there because of it's larger 20mm ammo load.

I totally got the point that there will be more dogfighting than strafing. 

Plus the 109e's 20mm cannot compare to the spitV's 20mm.   The 109F 20mm is more comparable, plus 4x .303" > 2x 7.62mm

[captain1ma]

the idea is to create a all out brawl with both dogfights and strafing, but letting the GV's do the majority of the grunt work.

[Eagler]

Sounds like fun!

Thanks for hosting Jaeger1 !!

Eagler

[Shane]

the idea is to create a all out brawl with both dogfights and strafing, but letting the GV's do the majority of the grunt work.

if you really wanted to make it more about the strafing than dogfighting per se, lower the ceiling to about 2-2.5k which keeps it in range of ground guns and prevents too many options for pure dogfighting.