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Offline Morpheus

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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 12:44:29 PM »
I  completely agree with you. I would take a perk mossie and bomb towns and rearm/refuel like 5 times and it always put me really high on bomber score.

I used to say I was just "delivering milk to the babies" when somebody launched to intercept. (I guess that's one way to describe a milk run)

Always needed MILK for a nice bowl of Cereal.

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« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 12:49:15 PM »
Not even. Very grounded in reality which is why I see you for what you are - a disgruntled window-licker.

I don't get your never ending personal attacks.

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« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 01:12:19 PM »
I don't get your never ending personal attacks.

If you look real close, you'll find I'm merely shaking my ankle when I find you on it.  :aok

Want data?  :rofl   This thread is a perfect example.
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« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 01:45:17 PM »
If you look real close, you'll find I'm merely shaking my ankle when I find you on it.  :aok

Want data?  :rofl   This thread is a perfect example.

Do you ever have positive contributions to make? I'd like to see a thread of that...

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« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 02:11:15 PM »
So my skillset is limited because i'm well rounded is what you are saying?  I'm always in the mix defending and attacking.  I'm typically on autoswitch so I dont get the pleasure of being in hordes, but rather facing them.  Just because i'm great at driving vehicles and bombing them doesnt mean I'm not any good at A2A. 
Your entire playstyle is based on A2A as you have mentioned, very one dimensional and limited playset, but you arent even very good at that.  I am a good fighter pilot who kills the fighters that are protecting those vehicles and bombers. 
You keep claiming i'm a vulcher because you died on landing, but I was the bomber that shot you up and was a sector away....probably flying B26, G4M, or HE-111
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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 02:27:22 PM »
Your gold standard for fighter pilot only intercepts bombers and bombs tanks, I never get to fight him. 
217 of his 254 fighter kills being against bombers.
133 of his 140 attack kills being against bombers and vehicles. 
I've noticed when he is bomb****ing someone and I come to support he lands immediately and goes somewhere else.
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« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 02:41:44 PM »
So my skillset is limited because i'm well rounded is what you are saying?  I'm always in the mix defending and attacking.  I'm typically on autoswitch so I dont get the pleasure of being in hordes, but rather facing them.  Just because i'm great at driving vehicles and bombing them doesnt mean I'm not any good at A2A. 
Your entire playstyle is based on A2A as you have mentioned, very one dimensional and limited playset, but you arent even very good at that.  I am a good fighter pilot who kills the fighters that are protecting those vehicles and bombers. 
You keep claiming i'm a vulcher because you died on landing, but I was the bomber that shot you up and was a sector away....probably flying B26, G4M, or HE-111

You're nowhere near as well rounded as you're trying to make yourself out to be.  I'm more than capable of bomb****ing GVs, I just don't specialize in it like you - numbers don't lie. A 500lb egg doesn't care which airframe it comes from and you're not tearing up good sticks in your p40, lofl. Yet you try and make it sound like you're a hot stick in it.  Nah, bruh, violator has you beat by miles.

But back on topic - you've yet to answer the very valid questions I asked. 

1. Who might these bombers who are going unrecognized because... scoring... even be?
2. And why aren't they seemingly concerned about this?
3. Are they aware of the simple few things needed for rank if that was their objective?>

With no firm answers it comes down to you humble bragging, "bomber stats need to change (so I don't have to spend as much time to exploit scoring to get it even lower.)"

You, yourself have said how "Fighter #1 is one of the gamier ones to achieve, extremely easy if you want it, on par with bomber.  Attack #1 is in my opinion the most impressive, followed by vehicle."     (Attack isn't hard at all if you know the right <cough> scoring exploit.  I rank fairly high in attack (and buffs) when I want to - I just don't play for rank in general; mostly to get cv control or show those who think rank means something, doesn't really.

This is also you humble bragging as you often do,  "As the highest ranking player in the game every month I play, im 100% in favor of things costing more for top rankers and lower rankers being rewarded more....though I already fly eny 40 planes so it doesnt hurt me at all."
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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 02:47:48 PM »
Your gold standard for fighter pilot only intercepts bombers and bombs tanks, I never get to fight him. 
217 of his 254 fighter kills being against bombers.
133 of his 140 attack kills being against bombers and vehicles. 
I've noticed when he is bomb****ing someone and I come to support he lands immediately and goes somewhere else.

I have no "standard" - I merely pointed out the similarities in your styles.  Cat7 was just an example off the top of my head, there are several others very similar - y'all score potatoes do a lot of the same things, just sayin', and one of those is preserving your scoring from deaths that might have resulted in a fun fight. 

You're not playing for "fun" in the sense that it's only your fun you consider, not others' fun. Nothing wrong with that per se, but you don't participate in much where there's risk to your scoring despite your claims of single-handedly pwnsaucing whatever is in front of you.
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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 04:21:00 PM »
I, or several of us, shut down your attempt to troll animl not too long ago. :aok >

You and several of your extra accounts? Yep. I checked and I did get a warning. Congrats!

I had to ask around to find out what post you were complaining about as I had no idea. I think you're smart enough to know that a post asking where somebody went that usually posts often and suddenly stops posting is not a troll, but you saw an opportunity and an ankle.

You complain about abuse of the .report command but pride yourself in getting people warnings here. You really should get off of peoples ankles and learn some ACM skills! Maybe Hag could give you some pointers. He's a nice guy and a decent stick. Maybe Hlywd or Yucca could teach you how to fly a jug if you're feeling up to it :)


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« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 04:46:49 PM »
You and several of your extra accounts? Yep. I checked and I did get a warning. Congrats!

I had to ask around to find out what post you were complaining about as I had no idea. I think you're smart enough to know that a post asking where somebody went that usually posts often and suddenly stops posting is not a troll, but you saw an opportunity and an ankle.

You complain about abuse of the .report command but pride yourself in getting people warnings here. You really should get off of peoples ankles and learn some ACM skills! Maybe Hag could give you some pointers. He's a nice guy and a decent stick. Maybe Hlywd or Yucca could teach you how to fly a jug if you're feeling up to it :)

Dial back your conspiracy...  :noid I only have one acct on forum and in game. I'm poor, like you!

You have a nasty habit of using red herrings in failing to make your points.  The troll post of yours that got reported deserved it - it was pure weebsauce trolling.  If you were truly concerned about him, you could have PM'd him.  Nah, you were trolling.

An amusing aside: your boi, haggerty here, got a lesson in abusing the .rpt function (and he even came here to whinge about it, lol.) HT actually came in game to make an announcement about abusing .rpt... (want the screenshot?  :rofl )   .rpt has always had it place when used appropriately.

But back to custom(player) arenas... free to make and play and can hold 16 people... what's your excuse for not trying that?



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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 10:26:05 PM »
You're nowhere near as well rounded as you're trying to make yourself out to be.  I'm more than capable of bomb****ing GVs, I just don't specialize in it like you - numbers don't lie. A 500lb egg doesn't care which airframe it comes from and you're not tearing up good sticks in your p40, lofl. Yet you try and make it sound like you're a hot stick in it.  Nah, bruh, violator has you beat by miles.

But back on topic - you've yet to answer the very valid questions I asked. 

1. Who might these bombers who are going unrecognized because... scoring... even be?
2. And why aren't they seemingly concerned about this?
3. Are they aware of the simple few things needed for rank if that was their objective?>

With no firm answers it comes down to you humble bragging, "bomber stats need to change (so I don't have to spend as much time to exploit scoring to get it even lower.)"

You, yourself have said how "Fighter #1 is one of the gamier ones to achieve, extremely easy if you want it, on par with bomber.  Attack #1 is in my opinion the most impressive, followed by vehicle."     (Attack isn't hard at all if you know the right <cough> scoring exploit.  I rank fairly high in attack (and buffs) when I want to - I just don't play for rank in general; mostly to get cv control or show those who think rank means something, doesn't really.

This is also you humble bragging as you often do,  "As the highest ranking player in the game every month I play, im 100% in favor of things costing more for top rankers and lower rankers being rewarded more....though I already fly eny 40 planes so it doesnt hurt me at all."

I havent been keeping names, but the way bomber score is calculated it punishes people that dont follow a strict regime to score generation.  If you are dropping a bomb on anything other than a town center or strat, you are hurting your score.  For one example, three of the top 10 bombers last month did less than 30 sorties, having minimal impact on the war effort, beating out many players with hundreds of sorties.  The whole point of this thread was to adjust the metrics so that things like hit percentage arent so heavily weighed.  I'm not sure why you think its some effort to help myself, I dont play bomber, im one of those guys in the top 10 every month wtih minimal effort because I'll WF a town every once in awhile.  Adjusting the variables would hurt me.  Removing just the hit% calculation from the score would have a beneficial impact by allowing bombers to hit airfield targets without reducing their ranking. 

I stand by my views on the gameness of the scores, with Bomber being easiest to game, Fighter 2nd, Vehicles 3rd, and Attack 4th.  My bragging typically comes when people like you just attack me for no reason, you just cant stand that someone who isnt even trying for rank is successful in this game.  I'm bullied every month as a score chaser just for fighting the war the way the game was intended, defending and capturing bases and killing anyone who tries to stop me.  Being a great well rounded player causes the rank to come without any need to game the stats.   
You seem to think I dont take any risks, if you played at my time you would see i'm regularly the only person defending against 5 or more players and have no issues taking off at the field to face them...but you would take off from a different field and hover near the base at 20k hoping to get a 1v1 that you lose half the time. 

I've had many great fights with the great fighter pilots in this game, i'm sure there is a mutual respect there, I dont need to ignore the war and treat the MA like the DA to appease you.
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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 11:42:48 PM »
Now you've done it. Shame gonna be on your ankle!

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« Reply #27 on: Today at 12:36:21 AM »
Now you've done it. Shame gonna be on your ankle!

He needs an activity to keep him busy, that 3 kills per hour at 20k in the backfield in ENY 5 planes gives him a lot of free time.
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« Reply #28 on: Today at 08:41:38 AM »
For one example, three of the top 10 bombers last month did less than 30 sorties, having minimal impact on the war effort, beating out many players with hundreds of sorties. 

The whole point of this thread was to adjust the metrics so that things like hit percentage arent so heavily weighed.  I'm not sure why you think its some effort to help myself, I dont play bomber, im one of those guys in the top 10 every month wtih minimal effort because I'll WF a town every once in awhile.  Adjusting the variables would hurt me. 

Removing just the hit% calculation from the score would have a beneficial impact by allowing bombers to hit airfield targets without reducing their ranking. 

I stand by my views on the gameness of the scores, with Bomber being easiest to game, Fighter 2nd, Vehicles 3rd, and Attack 4th. 

My bragging typically comes when people like you just attack me for no reason, you just cant stand that someone who isnt even trying for rank is successful in this game.  I'm bullied every month as a score chaser just for fighting the war the way the game was intended, defending and capturing bases and killing anyone who tries to stop me.  Being a great well rounded player causes the rank to come without any need to game the stats.   

You seem to think I dont take any risks, if you played at my time you would see i'm regularly the only person defending against 5 or more players and have no issues taking off at the field to face them...but you would take off from a different field and hover near the base at 20k hoping to get a 1v1 that you lose half the time. 

I've had many great fights with the great fighter pilots in this game, i'm sure there is a mutual respect there, I dont need to ignore the war and treat the MA like the DA to appease you.

Looks like you activated your victimhood in attempt to protect your fragile ego as it aims for #1 across the categories.  :rofl
I'm also pretty much the only one that side-eyes your claims of greatness - so ease off the persecution complex.  :noid

You seem to think I'm not capable, but again, don't confuse lack of effort with lack of ability.  Just like I don't confuse ranking with skill.  :aok

You also seem stuck on rank as having broad appeal, when it doesn't - it never really did.  The top ranked players, regardless of category, throughout AH history have always been about exploiting the scoring system to achieve it. Rank doesn't reflect organic playing when so many are exploiting the system across all categories. 

I get it, you're new here.  :aok  And seeing as how you're new here, you may not realize that it's not going to change at this point. Let me assure it's not.  :aok

Back on topic. It's telling you think some buff drivers are going unrecognized but are unable to name any.  :noid

The top buffers pretty much have comparable stats, and if it's as easy as you claim, nothing stopping these alleged missing "greats" from doing that minimal needed while still doing what they do. Why should a bomber target dar or ords or even enemy GVs or things that should properly be handled by jabos?  You seem to want to punish bombers for doing their job in hitting appropriate targets - towns and strats.   Several medium bombers also have attack scoring if they wanted to hit on-base targets, and this is the more appropriate scoring category.  I'm kind of sure heavy bombers in ww2 didn't target frontline airfields.

Looking at the top 20 fighters for T303 - none of them are particularly helpful to the overall "war" effort. And of those top 20, none of them give me any particular trouble and some are fun actually fights, win or lose, like trogdor (who can be argued is the most organic scoring fighter rank -but he doesn;t really contribute a whole lot to the war) and fooftr (who exploits the system, but also has legit skills) but most are just targeting bombers for their scores or defending a base. (Is that helpful to the "war" - depends, did they drop first? Was it just done protecting "strats? against those strat milkers? Was the base actually "saved"?) It seems fighter scoring favors defending over attacking.

Can you even name these "greats" you've had fun fights with? Were they ranked? 

There are numerous "fighters" who "contribute" more than these high rankers do, but rank lower because more sorties and deaths - should fighter scoring be adjusted to give actual contributors more weight as opposed to selectively exploiting scoring?  I don't see you advocating removing hit % from fighter scoring or any other category. I don't score my sorties as fighter very often because I will either have eggs or be willing to strafe ground targets when needed. If anything, I may run a few fighter sorties just to get overall ranking down even lower if I'm in the mood to do so.

Again, don't confuse lack of effort with lack of ability - my ego is secure in this regard.  You might want to work on yours.   :aok



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