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Offline Eagler

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Beginning of the end..
« on: May 19, 2025, 07:23:20 AM »


Skynet .. this dude seems slightly naive or is it just greed..

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Re: Beginning of the end..
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2025, 10:12:28 AM »
Real life is seldom predictable. I think AI could very possibly be a threat but probably not in any way we have imagined.
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Re: Beginning of the end..
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2025, 10:29:18 AM »
Real life is seldom predictable. I think AI could very possibly be a threat but probably not in any way we have imagined.

To me the threat isn't AI run amok.

It's bad actors leveraging the power of AI as a weapon.

It's like someone showing up to a copper-age battle with iron swords.

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Re: Beginning of the end..
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2025, 10:32:14 AM »
To me the threat isn't AI run amok.

It's bad actors leveraging the power of AI as a weapon.

It's like someone showing up to a copper-age battle with iron swords.

Which is one reason for the push to advance it without constraints.
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Re: Beginning of the end..
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2025, 10:44:07 AM »
Which is one reason for the push to advance it without constraints.

Or to come up with your own self defense EMP weapons.

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Re: Beginning of the end..
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2025, 11:00:26 AM »
Which is one reason for the push to advance it without constraints.

I've been in to John Boyd's work lately.  He was a big influencer in our militaries post-Vietnam maneuver theory of war.  Derived from all his conceptual work on air combat.

 The idea is to learn to read, react, decide, and execute at an operational tempo the enemy can't match.  Like what we did in GW1.  To get inside the enemy decision turn circle and st ay there so they are always stumbling back trying to get their footing.  Once the starting gun fired we operated at a speed and tempo and flexibility that the enemy was powerless against.  It was like they were frozen standing still compared to our 24\7 night\day agility.  It was over before they even got a reply back from HQ on what their orders are.

AI would be the super weapon in that fight.  It's ability to read, plan, research, simulate, decide, and execute would make any adversary who didn't have AI or who had weaker AI, appear to be as helpless Iraqis. 

At some point we are going to have to simply turn control of weapons release over to them under certain circumstances.  To utilize the true potential of AI it needs that freedom to act.  If we hesitate and the enemy embraces that first, we will be helpless.  It took a while for us to get comfortable with the idea of fly-by-wire. Fly-by-wire was really the embryo of AI.  Putting a human in the loop will only bog down and prevent the technology from achieving it's full potential.  Eventually someone is going to get over their squeamishness about that.

I know a couple of adversaries who would do that in a heartbeat if they thought it gave them the military edge.




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Re: Beginning of the end..
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2025, 04:40:09 PM »
With 60 minutes, the information you need is on the cutting room floor.
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Re: Beginning of the end..
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2025, 04:54:30 PM »
It'll be like it is now...

One side worries about civilian casualties while the other does not...

Same way their AI will be programmed..

In an all out conflict who do you think has the advantage..

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Re: Beginning of the end..
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2025, 06:54:13 PM »
Palmer Lucky is a very smart and innovative guy. Many many years ago as a teenager he was making money repairing VR headsets from his parents garage (I had a Emagin Z800 he tried to fix for me). From that he figured out a better way to design VR headsets, talked to the community about his ideas (the mean't to be seen 3D forums) and added the feedback into his design... which became the Oculus line of VR headsets.

Don't underestimate the guy.

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Re: Beginning of the end..
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2025, 08:18:33 PM »
There has been speculation that human intelligence is of a quantum mechanical nature. This would make our intelligence based on computational processes far exceeding what is possible with classical computing today. If true, then for AI intellect to surpass our own, we will need to refine quantum computing well beyond what we have achieved currently.

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Re: Beginning of the end..
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2025, 10:17:07 PM »
Consciousness. That is required for self-determination I think. Less than that is just a tool.
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Re: Beginning of the end..
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2025, 07:20:39 AM »
Consciousness. That is required for self-determination I think. Less than that is just a tool.

It will always be just a tool..a very fast tool ..maybe too fast at times..time will tell

No worries..our golden dome will save us lol

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Re: Beginning of the end..
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2025, 08:53:14 AM »
AI is excellent for those with no actual intelligence. For everyone else it is a security issue.
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Re: Beginning of the end..
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2025, 02:11:22 PM »
It actually takes a bit of intelligence to fully harness what AI is capable of doing and helping with. Sounds like an unintelligent person who doesn't fully understand AI.

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Re: Beginning of the end..
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2025, 03:11:05 PM »
At some point we'll probably start calling it Synthetic Intelligence. It may become indistinguishable from organic intelligence. Right now I think we equate intelligence with consciousness. Consciousness might be defined as self-awareness. Something you "feel". We really know so little about ourselves.
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