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Offline AKIron

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Re: Taiwan
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2025, 08:52:14 AM »
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"There are approximately 25,000 U.S. family members residing in Okinawa, along with 1,400 Department of Defense civilians and 700 DoD Dependents Schools teachers and staff. Additionally, nearly 30,000 active-duty military personnel from all four branches of the armed forces are stationed on the island."

Killing US civilians would almost certainly incite a demand for severe retaliation. China has to know this. They don't want a full scale war.

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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2025, 08:58:25 AM »
Nobody mentioned anything about Okinawa besides you. Why are you trying to create a story lol

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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2025, 09:04:09 AM »
Nobody mentioned anything about Okinawa besides you. Why are you trying to create a story lol

You think an attack on Taiwan won't affect our nearest military presence? Really?
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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2025, 09:16:50 AM »
China knows we have forces nearby capable of defeating their invasion of Taiwan. They don't know if we will act to defend Taiwan. If they risk it and we do act they will either have to back down or attack our nearby staging point. If they attack Okinawa the gloves come off.
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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2025, 09:29:59 AM »
We are ramping up our semiconductor plants which will eventually make Taiwan less relevant to us. If China is smart they'll wait until we no longer need Taiwan before invading.
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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2025, 10:05:48 AM »
We are ramping up our semiconductor plants which will eventually make Taiwan less relevant to us. If China is smart they'll wait until we no longer need Taiwan before invading.

Demographically and financially they can't wait the 5-10 years it would take up to get ramped up enough to not care about Taiwan.

I think if they attack in the midst of the coming mid-term when we are maximally distracted and divided,  at which time we will also be crotch deep in a economic malaise, facing hard decision on an increasingly hot war in Europe that threatens NATO.  I think they could pull it off.

We won't go all in for Taiwan.  They won't be dumb enough to hit Japan-Korea defensive line in the north or the Philippines defensive line in the south and force our hand.

We will protest loudly, make some token show of force and then fall back to our Japan-Korea-Philippine-Australia defensive perimeter. 

We will impose sanctions they will cut off chip availability and we won't be ready to replace it yet.  Checkmate.

Negotiations will then be had, and the name Taiwan will fade from History.

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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2025, 10:15:43 AM »
You think an attack on Taiwan won't affect our nearest military presence? Really?
Where did I say that? Don't believe I did. Nobody in this thread mentioned Okinawa until you did. Just wondering why you're trying to create something from nothing, is all.

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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2025, 10:29:56 AM »
Where did I say that? Don't believe I did. Nobody in this thread mentioned Okinawa until you did. Just wondering why you're trying to create something from nothing, is all.

I explained how I think an invasion of Taiwan will likely go down. What was your input?
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« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2025, 10:32:53 AM »
Demographically and financially they can't wait the 5-10 years it would take up to get ramped up enough to not care about Taiwan.

I think if they attack in the midst of the coming mid-term when we are maximally distracted and divided,  at which time we will also be crotch deep in a economic malaise, facing hard decision on an increasingly hot war in Europe that threatens NATO.  I think they could pull it off.

We won't go all in for Taiwan.  They won't be dumb enough to hit Japan-Korea defensive line in the north or the Philippines defensive line in the south and force our hand.

We will protest loudly, make some token show of force and then fall back to our Japan-Korea-Philippine-Australia defensive perimeter. 

We will impose sanctions they will cut off chip availability and we won't be ready to replace it yet.  Checkmate.

Negotiations will then be had, and the name Taiwan will fade from History.

I think China will be counting on this scenario. If we do rise to Taiwan's defense I think it likely China will back down for the reasons I stated. They will lose an escalation. Of course we know they know we know.....
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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2025, 10:35:25 AM »
I think China will be counting on this scenario. If we do rise to Taiwan's defense I think it likely China will back down for the reasons I stated. They will lose an escalation. Of course we know they know we know.....

I agree if they see us committing all in, they will back down. 

I do not believe we will.

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« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2025, 12:13:47 PM »
I don't think China has to invade Taiwan to bring it under its control...see Ukraine as an example of how war - an invasion - goes these days..endless civilian destruction with the occasional military target thrown in for effect..

I see 10's of 1000's of Chinese AI drones doing the heavy lifting...

Depending on our economic shape, war might be exactly what our fearless leaders believe should/has to happen..throw in a crazy ego or 3 and everything is possible..

Interesting times..

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« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2025, 01:15:41 PM »
I don't think China has to invade Taiwan to bring it under its control...see Ukraine as an example of how war - an invasion - goes these days..endless civilian destruction with the occasional military target thrown in for effect..

I see 10's of 1000's of Chinese AI drones doing the heavy lifting...

Depending on our economic shape, war might be exactly what our fearless leaders believe should/has to happen..throw in a crazy ego or 3 and everything is possible..

Interesting times..

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If they just enforced a good old fashion blockade, I'm pretty sure Taiwan wouldn't last long.

A blockade enforced by drones would be a first.

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« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2025, 01:24:31 PM »
Speaking of drones, Ukraine pulled a Hezbollah pager move.
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« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2025, 06:35:47 PM »
Speaking of drones, Ukraine pulled a Hezbollah pager move.

Anyone think this isn't possible in the United States?

Seems they smuggled the drones close to the airbase before launching..

https://youtube.com/shorts/3M2_jAaKQHA?si=LX0Fb5iqontBrJf6

Just wondering if such an attack on Dulles or LaGuardia Airport during holiday season wouldn't have better results than a few dozen military aircraft...

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Re: Taiwan
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2025, 06:43:00 PM »
Attacking a bunch of civilian airliners at the gates filled with people is a good way to get yourself nuked.

No more of this 20 years trying to clear out the extremists bs. We learned our lesson. I hope.
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