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Offline Captain Virgil Hilts

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FWIW
« on: July 31, 2025, 06:47:56 PM »


In a recent thread there was, for a time, a discussion regarding the price of civilized society. Unfortunately, as is usually the case, it was closed, due to the usual suspect(s).

As far as taxation, and, actually, both economics and government are concerned, my philosophy on them comes from Frederic Bastiat, Milton Freidman, Thomas Sowell, and Arthur Laffer. They've been proven reliable and correct for decades, or, in the case of Bastiat, damned near two centuries. And, yeah, they're all (except Bastiat, having lived long before video) prominently featured in videos from various sources on youtube. If you're going to use that as a means to attempt to refute their positions, that only serves to prove the weakness of your claims.

This thread, too, will almost certainly be locked, probably in short order.
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Re: FWIW
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2025, 07:03:18 PM »
I think the elimination of property tax is better than lower interest rates for the economy...

I don't think they care what's best but what puts the most green in their pockets not ours...

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Re: FWIW
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2025, 07:05:02 PM »
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Re: FWIW
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2025, 07:15:13 PM »
Everything I own is paid for. I pay no income tax Quite comfortable. Elimination of property would be great. Not gonna happen...
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Re: FWIW
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2025, 08:11:34 PM »
I think the elimination of property tax is better than lower interest rates for the economy...

I don't think they care what's best but what puts the most green in their pockets not ours...

Eagler

I think you're missing the bigger "they" which is creating the bulk of the problems with green staying in our pockets.

While I think we'd agree specifically on property taxes, I'm much more in favor of paying higher taxes in general over getting price gouged so a stock price can increase two fold again this quarter.

Better that my money gets used for schools, road maintenance, or a new submarine instead of going to a Swiss bank account or some rich pedophile's private island sex dungeon resort.     
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Re: FWIW
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2025, 08:18:48 PM »
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Re: FWIW
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2025, 08:27:47 PM »
Yep, and through using tariffs as a negotiating tool, Trump got the majority of nations to reduce their tariffs on our goods.

I never said any of those I mentioned was perfect, or infallible. Sowell, who was a student and friend of Friedman, admitted recently that Trump was correct in his use of tariffs as a negotiating tool. It's neither ideal, nor long term, but it is a useful tool.
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Re: FWIW
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2025, 08:35:24 PM »
I think you're missing the bigger "they" which is creating the bulk of the problems with green staying in our pockets.

While I think we'd agree specifically on property taxes, I'm much more in favor of paying higher taxes in general over getting price gouged so a stock price can increase two fold again this quarter.

Better that my money gets used for schools, road maintenance, or a new submarine instead of going to a Swiss bank account or some rich pedophile's private island sex dungeon resort.     

If only your taxes were getting used for schools (especially schools that educate) roads, etc. They're not. Your taxes are being laundered, and sent to those very accounts of the very people you despise.

If your taxes were being used for what you desire, the U.S. would rank #1 in the world in education, rather than being outside the top 5, or even top 10. A pothole would be a rare sight. And the shipyards wouldn't be 5-7 years behind in producing new ships for the Navy. Alas, none of those things are happening. And so long as we continue to fork over hundreds of billions of dollars every year, without accountability, that will remain true.
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2025, 08:38:38 PM »
At least some of that money goes where I want it to through taxes instead of none of it getting there by corporate means.

Consider it the lesser of two evils.
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Re: FWIW
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2025, 08:47:37 PM »
At least some of that money goes where I want it to through taxes instead of none of it getting there by corporate means.

Consider it the lesser of two evils.


Does it really? The percentage that goes where it is supposed to, is minuscule.

Is it really?
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Re: FWIW
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2025, 09:58:58 PM »
I think you're missing the bigger "they" which is creating the bulk of the problems with green staying in our pockets.

While I think we'd agree specifically on property taxes, I'm much more in favor of paying higher taxes in general over getting price gouged so a stock price can increase two fold again this quarter.

Better that my money gets used for schools, road maintenance, or a new submarine instead of going to a Swiss bank account or some rich pedophile's private island sex dungeon resort.     

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Re: FWIW
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2025, 10:01:07 PM »
Yep, and through using tariffs as a negotiating tool, Trump got the majority of nations to reduce their tariffs on our goods.

I never said any of those I mentioned was perfect, or infallible. Sowell, who was a student and friend of Friedman, admitted recently that Trump was correct in his use of tariffs as a negotiating tool. It's neither ideal, nor long term, but it is a useful tool.

A negotiating tool? I think not. Showing everyone who the "big man on campus" is.... Read the EU deal in detail... worthless platitudes with little effect. Punishing Canada in the hope they apply to join the Union.... :rofl
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Re: FWIW
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2025, 10:05:26 PM »

In a recent thread there was, for a time, a discussion regarding the price of civilized society. Unfortunately, as is usually the case, it was closed, due to the usual suspect(s).

As far as taxation, and, actually, both economics and government are concerned, my philosophy on them comes from Frederic Bastiat, Milton Freidman, Thomas Sowell, and Arthur Laffer. They've been proven reliable and correct for decades, or, in the case of Bastiat, damned near two centuries. And, yeah, they're all (except Bastiat, having lived long before video) prominently featured in videos from various sources on youtube. If you're going to use that as a means to attempt to refute their positions, that only serves to prove the weakness of your claims.

This thread, too, will almost certainly be locked, probably in short order.

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Re: FWIW
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2025, 09:20:47 AM »
I think the elimination of property tax is better than lower interest rates for the economy...

I don't think they care what's best but what puts the most green in their pockets not ours...

Eagler


They're not going to eliminate taxes on property. Far too many greedy people have their face buried in that trough, and most of what has been collected has been wasted. Hell, in many places, your property taxes have been used to by pro sports teams new venues, which the majority of tax payers can't even afford to go to, even though many run up stupid levels of debt to go anyway.

Lowering interest rates will be a massive stimulation, and, most importantly maybe, it will make it somewhat more possible for people to buy themselves an actual home. Many do not get what actual home ownership does to the thought process of people. At least, normal people.

Further, exorbitant interest rates do nothing to control inflation. Inflation is driven by government spending, government debt, and government printing of money it doesn't have.


And yeah, only a minuscule number of the people in government give a damn about what is best for the Republic or the citizens.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2025, 09:22:58 AM by Captain Virgil Hilts »
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Re: FWIW
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2025, 10:57:44 AM »
5% is not an "exorbitant interest rates"..

An economy is not healthy if it can't handle that...

Lowering it down  to what 2%?

It's why the market is screwed now...it'll allowed the donutheads to artificially raise prices because joe 6 pack could " afford the monthly payment "...

Lowering it again now will raise prices again for the same reason and not just homes but every freaking thing..

Some of us aren't leveraged to the limit with numerous maxed out credit cards or loans..

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