Current player numbers.

[JimmyD3]

That's why 3 sides don't work with today's numbers..

Make the game two sided and many issues self correct..

Eagler

So who do we eliminate? Rooks, Knights or Bishops?

You will have  players leave because of their loyalty to a Chess piece, and don't think for 1 minute it would not  happen.

It will not change anything.

[save]

Guess my sarcasm didn't come through.

I was trying to juxtapose the current radar setting that many of the veteran players seem to dislike with the fact that it was designed for new players who are few and far between.

Small maps only with predicable routes like the small island in the center (that also had ground war below)  and old radar will solve both smaller numbers and finding the enemy. hiding behind mountains and surprise attack without help from radar encourage you to use WW2 tactics plus SA and not warfare  we even not have in the 21st century.

[Animl-AW]

So who do we eliminate? Rooks, Knights or Bishops?

You will have  players leave because of their loyalty to a Chess piece, and don't think for 1 minute it would not  happen.

It will not change anything.

Plus, the maps would have to be rearranged, some coding would need to change,.....based on a gamble?

Any time there are big changes you risk a big exodus. Look what just the radar caused.

Not to mention what if most players chose one side over the other? A MA in constant 75 to 25.

This has been a losing debate for 35+ yrs.

[hazmatt]

So who do we eliminate? Rooks, Knights or Bishops?

You will have  players leave because of their loyalty to a Chess piece, and don't think for 1 minute it would not  happen.

It will not change anything.

I think Queens would be a side with a big following.

[flippz]

I honestly believe that there are so many players that are either loyal to a chess piece or want to remain part of the horde that 2 sides would not fix the issue.  I believe you would have a handful of players quit because they couldn't fathom having to change countries while the remaining players continue to pile on one side.

What you loose in folks loyal to a pixel picture you may gain in 5 fold for action.
As far as in the ganging HTC could crank the eny by 3 fold and even to a point you have to goon troops in.
A lot of the issues are lack of interest by the creator as well.

[flippz]

So who do we eliminate? Rooks, Knights or Bishops?

You will have  players leave because of their loyalty to a Chess piece, and don't think for 1 minute it would not  happen.

It will not change anything.

Get rid of all of them. Have a color a shape anything. That’s what’s wrong with this game. A bunch of princesses that scream and kick like a three year old if things aren’t done the way they want. It’s the quiet ones that leave silent that needs the attention some times.
When fighters like lazer an tralfaz and many many others are ready to go that’s a sign. The game play is what ran me off. If you want a fight you have to fight the horde, then you have to listen to skankles for three hours. If you join the horde then you have to listen to skankles for three hours. And if you play like that for any amount of time you loose interest quickly.

[JimmyD3]

Good to see you again Flippz 

I disagree with your premise though. #1 No way you gain that many with the change. #2 Any increase in eny will kill the game immediately. #3, I have no answer for that.

I must admit, I don't understand the "horde" issue. That is what made the game fascinating for me. Back in the day there were squads/hordes everywhere. Some of the best battles I've had have been either trying to take base or defending a base as a squad/horde. Hordes exist in all 3 countries.

[Animl-AW]

Good to see you again Flippz 

I disagree with your premise though. #1 No way you gain that many with the change. #2 Any increase in eny will kill the game immediately. #3, I have no answer for that.

I must admit, I don't understand the "horde" issue. That is what made the game fascinating for me. Back in the day there were squads/hordes everywhere. Some of the best battles I've had have been either trying to take base or defending a base as a squad/horde. Hordes exist in all 3 countries.

Well back in the day you had enough players online that no matter where a horde was you could throw 10 planes at it and not really disturb anything, fronts still covered. Now, in gang bangs you're lucky to have 10 to throw at it. if you split your forces the country is screwed. It still comes down to critical mass,... IMO

[flippz]

Good to see you again Flippz 

I disagree with your premise though. #1 No way you gain that many with the change. #2 Any increase in eny will kill the game immediately. #3, I have no answer for that.

I must admit, I don't understand the "horde" issue. That is what made the game fascinating for me. Back in the day there were squads/hordes everywhere. Some of the best battles I've had have been either trying to take base or defending a base as a squad/horde. Hordes exist in all 3 countries.

Miss you bud,
Seems the current trajectory is doing much good. And nothing will work as long as you say it won’t. Like I said the current game play is atrocious. My last month playing I seen the horde continuously attacking one country and if fighting three to 1 wasn’t bad enough they were continuously taking down fighter hangers. 
I would bet if there was some changes made in the game and there were some better fights you would be surprised at some folks that would return. Most guys don’t want to spend their couple of hours a day/week fighting the horde every time they’ll on.  Nor do guys want to log on and fly in a horde for hours fighting there fellow country men to try and get a kill.

[Eagler]

AI, smaller maps, 3 to 2 sides..all things that could and should be tried to keep the game afloat...

But the owner nor the ones afraid of change here seem to want to change/ try anything new...just sit around and wish/whine for the good ole days ..

They won't even change and get themselves out of the late war birds they complain about here is ruining game play..

Eagler

[Bolt]

As a returning player...I noticed something. The lack of overall strategy or even countries rallying together against the winning country.

For example, Bish are about to win the map...they're taking Rook bases. Rooks are taking Knight bases (because it is easier) barely defending. And Knights are stuck defending on Rook front instead of taking Bish bases.

Maybe we should start voting for presidents 

[Animl-AW]

Which sounds fine if one ignored the reasons and risk given.

Seems those who complain about late war planes favor the late war 109s. Many AC were invented to go against the uber 109s in WWII. The 109 was the beast of WWII, through the whole war.

No matter map size, you will always 1-1.5 sectors for alt. Maps too small you lose bombers that need many sectors to alt.  Fly a buff and tell us all about it.

2 countries fans are people willing to gamble and risk the work required that could be disastrous to this game. Risking work they don’t have to do. And once its done and fails you can’t just go back.

There is a difference between decades of experience on why some things don’t work and afraid to change. Yep, they don’t like gambling on a whim if a few. Welcome icon dar.

Some are very good at wanting to gamble with someone else's money. The failure is not their loss.

Some won’t listen or even remember the solid vetted reasons given, while they can’t go into any real convincing detail why it would work.

It’s not the planes its the pilot, every plane can be used for HOing and gang bangs.

Late war 51s and 190D are uber and bad to fly? why do the complainers fly late war 109s? When I see these fly a Spit1 I would take it more serious. In BoB the same complainers chose the side with 109s, the best fighter of the event, we could not pay players to fly Spit1s.

The planes called uber were designed to beat the uber 109s. Fly an 190A5 or A8, nope they don’t like it. What they really want is targets easiest for them in their choice of uber.

2 country maps would be great? Why is AvA empty?

The same players also grasp conspiracies in other subjects with a white knuckle death grip, ignoring all reasoning and logic. Again, cannot go into detail to support it. Not one ever pans out.

Only a hand full of the same players even talk about 2 countries, no where near a majority who aren’t asking for it.

The biggest sell in WT and IL-2 is graphics, the game play isn’t what I call great.

Again, every reason given will be forgotten as if they were never mentioned (ignored) and rewind happens. This is not unvetted conspiracies its buisness.

The game works just fine when its over critical mass. Promote it and fix the real problem. These ideas are bandaids.