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Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2025, 07:43:54 PM »
This near-extinction event lasted for about 117,000 years and may have been caused by drastic climate change.

Was it man-made climate change.  If not, I'm skeptical.   
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« Reply #46 on: September 23, 2025, 09:13:19 PM »
Don't worry, not many take your tribe seriously anymore anyway. Credibility is shot with 0 of 1000. But damn proud to get everything wrong.
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Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2025, 12:50:35 AM »
What if it turns out earth is the most advanced planet?……and that we won’t be meeting Extraterrestrial life until we make the trip ourselves.

The argument against this is basically, there are a gazillion other planets.  Even with 1/gazillion probability of life on a planet, there ought to be others out there with many being more advanced than us.

However, there are counter reasonings that are about as valid as that line of reasoning.

1.  If so, where are they?  (Yes, the various things:  if there is no faster-than-light travel, they aren't able to get here, and we haven't heard them yet.  Or they are here, but want to stay secret.  Or they are here and talked to our leaders, but not to us plebeians.)

2.  There are arguments that the probability of life (P) is so drastically small that even gazillion x P is small.  So we might be it.

3.  It took about 5B years on Earth for humans to show up.  The universe is estimated to be 14B years old.  Thus, in the one example we know, it took an appreciable fraction of the age of the universe for human-level intelligence to show up.  What if we are on the quick side.  And there will be other human-level (or higher) intelligences, but they aren't there yet.

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« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2025, 07:37:14 AM »
Don't worry, not many take your tribe seriously anymore anyway. Credibility is shot with 0 of 1000. But damn proud to get everything wrong.

Always going there, then blaming others..

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« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2025, 07:41:41 AM »

The universe is estimated to be 14B years old.


That theory has been turned on it's head recently. Several other theories popping up in it's place.
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« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2025, 08:22:37 AM »
The observable universe stretches to 14 billion light-years.  Edwin Hubble discovered the red shift, and voilà!  Galaxies were moving away from each other.  The expanding universe was born.  The age of the universe was assigned a numerical value.

That doesn't factor in what lies beyond the observable universe.  There could be more there, just not seen yet, because the light hasn't arrived on Earth.  The universe could be way older than 14 billion years.
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Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2025, 10:02:08 AM »
Always going there, then blaming others..

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Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
« Reply #52 on: September 24, 2025, 10:42:54 AM »
The argument against this is basically, there are a gazillion other planets.  Even with 1/gazillion probability of life on a planet, there ought to be others out there with many being more advanced than us.

However, there are counter reasonings that are about as valid as that line of reasoning.

1.  If so, where are they?  (Yes, the various things:  if there is no faster-than-light travel, they aren't able to get here, and we haven't heard them yet.  Or they are here, but want to stay secret.  Or they are here and talked to our leaders, but not to us plebeians.)

2.  There are arguments that the probability of life (P) is so drastically small that even gazillion x P is small.  So we might be it.

3.  It took about 5B years on Earth for humans to show up.  The universe is estimated to be 14B years old.  Thus, in the one example we know, it took an appreciable fraction of the age of the universe for human-level intelligence to show up.  What if we are on the quick side.  And there will be other human-level (or higher) intelligences, but they aren't there yet.

How possible is it that there are elements out there we have never seen or observed before that could change everything we understand about energy and flight? I certainly believe there are younger galaxies with less population build up, but on the contrary, some civilizations could be just 1 billion years older than us which would amount to a crazy difference in tech. Barring they didnt have their own civilizational issues holding their society down in the dirt. Imagine where we will be in just 100 million years relative to a billion.

Also, its amazing to me that dinosaurs existed like 360m-100M supposedly before humans. The time it would take for the earth to naturally create them, and supposedly be less intelligent is very interesting. I wonder if other earth's develop dinosaurs first? And why did they never organically come back? Differences in oxygen/co2 levels then? Life seems so much smaller than it use to be. Just questions to ponder.

I think much of our history has been manipulated to keep us in the dark but explain things in a narrative that "makes sense" so as to keep us from expanding our minds and the true understanding of where we came from. Both the religious and the elite masons of the world have a win-win because we are essentially lost in the dark and explaining anything outside of the "accepted narrative" is instantly looked as crazy and heretic.

I was telling my mother the other day when she came to the realization that I did a few months ago. She said "back in our day, it wasnt so easy to gather this much information on a topic so quickly". And that's exactly why I dont blame "boomers" for the world's problems. They weren't able to put together connections like we can now and were bascially only fed information by approved sources in Mainstrram media, newspapers, and books. But connecting those dots were so much harder. You didnt have all of these "how to" videos on YouTube or traveling journalist instantly able to get their message out.

This is why freedom of speech is so important, because if we cannot challenge approved narratives with new research and dot connections, than we will not continue to evolve into a smarter society.
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Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
« Reply #53 on: September 24, 2025, 10:52:01 AM »
How possible is it that there are elements out there we have never seen or observed before that could change everything we understand about energy and flight? I certainly believe there are younger galaxies with less population build up, but on the contrary, some civilizations could be just 1 billion years older than us which would amount to a crazy difference in tech. Barring they didnt have their own civilizational issues holding their society down in the dirt. Imagine where we will be in just 100 million years relative to a billion.

Also, its amazing to me that dinosaurs existed like 360m-100M supposedly before humans. The time it would take for the earth to naturally create them, and supposedly be less intelligent is very interesting. I wonder if other earth's develop dinosaurs first? And why did they never organically come back? Differences in oxygen/co2 levels then? Life seems so much smaller than it use to be. Just questions to ponder.

I think much of our history has been manipulated to keep us in the dark but explain things in a narrative that "makes sense" so as to keep us from expanding our minds and the true understanding of where we came from. Both the religious and the elite masons of the world have a win-win because we are essentially lost in the dark and explaining anything outside of the "accepted narrative" is instantly looked as crazy and heretic.

I was telling my mother the other day when she came to the realization that I did a few months ago. She said "back in our day, it wasnt so easy to gather this much information on a topic so quickly". And that's exactly why I dont blame "boomers" for the world's problems. They weren't able to put together connections like we can now and were bascially only fed information by approved sources in Mainstrram media, newspapers, and books. But connecting those dots were so much harder. You didnt have all of these "how to" videos on YouTube or traveling journalist instantly able to get their message out.

This is why freedom of speech is so important, because if we cannot challenge approved narratives with new research and dot connections, than we will not continue to evolve into a smarter society.

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Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
« Reply #54 on: September 24, 2025, 11:37:17 AM »
How possible is it that there are elements out there we have never seen or observed before that could change everything we understand

Quite possible.

There are all sorts of weird things out there, which makes everything very interesting.

Just as one way to envision the situation:

-- Just 20-30 years ago, we thought we understood 99% of mass-energy of the universe.

-- Now we think we understand only 5% of the mass-energy of the universe.

Way more interesting that there is plenty left to figure out.  :aok

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« Reply #55 on: September 24, 2025, 11:44:04 AM »
That theory has been turned on it's head recently. Several other theories popping up in it's place.

Sure, but folks were talking about there just have to be other human-level intelligences out there.  That is based on assuming gazillion x P is a large number.

I'm pointing out that:
1.  We don't know P.  Not at all.  There are no solid theories for what P is.
2.  Gazillion x P could be big.
3.  Gazillion x P could be small.
4.  Whatever anyone's feeling of what P should be is wobbly and has no solid info behind it.

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Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
« Reply #56 on: September 24, 2025, 11:51:12 AM »
How possible is it

Also, another thing that I think is very interesting (a different angle of view than the mass/energy way of looking at things):

Quantum mechanics has a lot of weird aspects involving the role of observation (and thus consciousness), "delayed-choice quantum eraser", etc.

Quantum mechanics is full of stuff where people (including Einstein) have said, "Well, quantum mechanics can't be true, because if it were true, it means this totally bizarre thing would happen, which is impossible or a paradox."  Then folks figure out a way to test it, and the bizarre thing does happen.

It is very interesting.

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« Reply #57 on: September 24, 2025, 12:41:38 PM »
There may be an alien on the boards and just not saying............
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« Reply #58 on: September 24, 2025, 12:51:04 PM »
Why do we spend so much time and money trying to establish a colony on planets (IE Mars) that are an unsurvivable environment? Exploration is one thing, thinking we can populate it is absurd pipe dreams that carry no benefit.

I’m on there were intelligent civilizations right here, that may have come close to extinct several times. A lot can happen in just 1,000,000,000 yrs. Better yet 40,000,000,000.

There are things found from 1000s of years ago like a metal machine with data printed on it with metal gears that today we can’t even figure out. Yet following that time its back to stone objects.

We can’t even figure out how they built the pyramids.

I don’t think we came from out there, unless bacteria type single cell living things in meter.  Good chance it started here, will end here.

Me thinks the current humans over think things. Stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime.
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« Reply #59 on: September 24, 2025, 12:59:16 PM »
There may be an alien on the boards and just not saying............

I have my suspicions also.

Why do we spend so much time and money trying to establish a colony on planets (IE Mars) that are an unsurvivable environment? Exploration is one thing, thinking we can populate it is absurd pipe dreams that carry no benefit.

I’m on there were intelligent civilizations right here, that may have come close to extinct several times. A lot can happen in just 1,000,000,000 yrs. Better yet 40,000,000,000.

There are things found from 1000s of years ago like a metal machine with data printed on it with metal gears that today we can’t even figure out. Yet following that time its back to stone objects.

We can’t even figure out how they built the pyramids.

I don’t think we came from out there, unless bacteria type single cell living things in meter.  Good chance it started here, will end here.

Me thinks the current humans over think things. Stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime.

The goal is to create technology to the point of eliminating a scarcity-controlled monetary society.  When money becomes obsolete, then true utopia can begin.

Wait a minute... technology becomes the currency. 

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