Just changed their minds..

[Busher]

I never liked it when someone gave the time as "a quarter of". Typically that meant 15 minutes until the coming hour but I was never sure if someone meant 15 mins before or 15 after. If I've said it, and I probably have in decades past, it was "a quarter to or a quarter after".

Thank you for explaining that. I have wondered about that for years.

[Eagler]

Exactly the BRICS folks won't give a darn but our voted in wimps will .. Best start building those nuke plants yesterday eh..

Interesting times ahead..

Eagler

[Shuffler]

Back to the op..

Funny how the green crowd is ok with the energy required for their AI and crypto $$$ now...

Do you think they ever believed the climate hoax or was it just purely manipulation like most things are these days..

Eagler

The green crowd loves wind power. They just don't know that those wind generators can each require up to 2000 gallons of oil to operate. Each and every one of them.

[Lazerr]

The green crowd loves wind power. They just don't know that those wind generators can each require up to 2000 gallons of oil to operate. Each and every one of them.

I knew maintenance and life span on those things wasnt good at all, but 2000 gallons of oil?? That is insane.

I think we need to find a good balance of renewable and fossil fuel energies..

[icepac]

No such thing as “fossil fuel”.

[Eagler]

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/data-centers-in-nvidias-hometown-sit-idle-as-grid-struggles-to-keep-up

How many windmills do those take..

Eagler

[Eagler]

I knew maintenance and life span on those things wasnt good at all, but 2000 gallons of oil?? That is insane.

I think we need to find a good balance of renewable and fossil fuel energies..

Not sure if Landman was spewing facts but it stated the production of windmills cancels out any green energy they might produce..



Eagler

[CptTrips]

Not sure if Landman was spewing facts but it stated the production of windmills cancels out any green energy they might produce..



Eagler

And what happens when the oil runs out?

Do we believe oil is an infinite resource?  Abiotic?  I don't believe it is.

IMHO, wind and solar are best leveraged at point of use.  A lot of local system on your property not a few mega systems that have to transmit and store the power.   

Every household (in the appropriate areas of the country) with solar on the roof.  Rural properties with solar and a small 5k wind turbine (in the appropriate areas of the country).

Grid-tie so you pull from the grid when needed.

Someday oil will run out, but long before that, it's increasing scarcity will drive prices to the moon as it becomes obvious the supply is dwindling.  Not next year.  Not next 10 years.  But given how long it would take to re-engineer our power grids, it is something that would be wise to start thinking about and planning for.

[Eagler]

So Landman is true?

If so it should not be called green anything...just shifting $$$ from the oil barron to the subsidized alternative less efficient energy barons..

I don't think in the long run they will be any better for the planet except for some ppl bank accounts...

Eagler

[CptTrips]

So Landman is true?

If so it should not be called green anything...just shifting $$$ from the oil barron to the subsidized alternative less efficient energy barons..

I don't think in the long run they will be any better for the planet except for some ppl bank accounts...

I haven't analyzed if Billy-Bob Thorton is a reliable technical source.

I have grave doubts they consume 2000 gal of oil to operate.  I'd need to see some reliable references on that.
Maybe 2000 gal of petroleum went into to their complete construction and transport to site.  But you don't rebuild a new one every week.
In most parts of the country wind probably doesn't make sense.  In many parts of country solar doesn't make a lot of sense.

Where they make economic sense I don't think they should be excluded from consideration just because it sounds like something the other "side" would want.  Just run the numbers and do what makes sense.  In some locations it makes sense as part of a multiple source, fault tolerant energy grid.  There is safety in a diversification of sources.

But again, is it your assumption that oil will last forever?

[Shuffler]

You can research it yourself but here is just one link...
https://www.wind-watch.org/documents/how-much-oil-is-required-to-run-a-wind-turbine/

[Eagler]

Sad to see fields of solar panels installed so low you can't even mow under them..

I just can't see them as an alternative..maybe an emergency backup but not as 1st string ..

No windmills thank goodness..

And every year our power bill goes up for one reason or another..everything except more usage..same with water..

My guess is that the political message in Landman is accurate as the green group didn't argue against it when it aired originally..

Eagler

[CptTrips]

Is that oil being burnt for fuel?  Or just sitting in a gear box?

Does it go though 2000 gal a day or something?  lol

Again.  Run the numbers honestly and a factor should be that someday oil will run out or become so expensive that it is not economically feasible to use.

It takes decades to build out a grid.  Let's plan for flexibility where it makes sense, including nuclear.

How much lubrication is used in a coal fired plant?  Don't they have turbines and gears too?



But again, what do we do when it runs out? 


Hey, if we based our energy policy on Billy-Bob, can we base our Foreign Policy off Duck Dynasty?   

I like Landman.  Always a Billy-Bob fan.  My relatives out in the Permian Basin hate it.  They say it is fake as heck.  They say it has nothing to do with the real industry.