IL2 Korea pre-release

[800nate800]

Who says this?

i can back it up, i do remember at one point it was consistent of people saying it.

[CptTrips]

I think they got a winner on their hands.
 
I came with skepticism mainly to test and show how the IL2K FM wasn't as good as DCS, but I just really like the feel of everything. 
There was always something a little "on-rails" about other FM that made me fall in love with DCS. 
I think IL2K Is right up there with DCS and feels better than I remembered GB.  There are some tweaks needed to the FM and AI needs work and the career mode is not in yet, but it is only a week into Early Access and a month before launch.

The biggest thing is it just feel cohesive.  Everything fits.  World building. I feel like I am in 1950's Korea.

My beef with jets in DCS isn't the jet engine.  I lose interest once you get to missiles, and computer screens and fly-by-wire.

ILK2 jets are all analog and it feels it.  They feel like flying a ME-262 more than a F-16.


Early Access is always a coin toss, but I don't regret my purchase so far.

[hazmatt]

There was always something a little "on-rails" about other FM that made me fall in love with DCS.

The biggest thing is it just feel cohesive.  Everything fits.  World building. I feel like I am in 1950's Korea. 

I agree. Il2  is good about that feeling of cohesion. I remember flying down train tracks looking for supply trains to shoot up or following the tracks to rail yards to bomb. It really felt like I was "contributing to the war effort"

The only "on-rails" flight model I recall is AH3 but even some of the planes in AH3 like the F4U don't feel on rails as much as others to me.

I might have to to break down and buy it but I'll probably have to wait until it's on sale as I can't justify it with the amount of time I have right now and I'm spending most of it in WT.

Speaking of that, the other day I we had a match and it got down to one bomber left on my team and me in a Yak3 and one guy left on the other team in a 109G who had already killed 4 or 5 of our team. We had both just refueled/repaired and rearmed when we met. We were between 7 and 10k with him being a little higher when we merged with around 6 minutes left in the match (which we were going to lose because their attack aircraft had done a bunch of damage already).

Of course he starting using the veridical and climbing spirals but I think we were at high enough alt for him to really have the climb advantage over the Yak3. I was pulling lag pursuit and trying to keep my speed up as much as possible. I'd pull up as he was coming over the top with just enough speed to spoil his shot and maybe get a snap shot myself.  I got a lucky shot in and damaged his aileron but this guy wouldn't give up. We had a fight that went on for like 2 more minutes before I was able to finally win with like 45 seconds left in the match.

No matter what sim you're playing I think it's stuff like those kind of fights that we all play for.

[AKIron]

[CptTrips]

I love his reviews.  It helps cut through all the opinions.  At least he has extensive experience with high performance planes.

I agree with his overall impression from a layman's view.

The FM feels a little more forgiving than DCS in stalls and spins.  But close.  Not enough difference to bother me.
shocks seem a bit too bouncy.
But overall they did a much better job than GB.  It has "that feel" that DCS broke me for other sims.  DCS had great feel but marginal gameplay.  I have had a blast even just flying the limited content of the Early Access.
The gunnery feels awesome, and the 50's shred like they are supposed to.

I still have hopes for Combat Pilot one day, but they are several years off.  Williams is gone.  A lot an happen to kill a new sim over years of development.  IL2K is drawing from a GB revenue base so they are able to fund development.
No bucks, no Buck Rogers.

I always heard GB had great gameplay, but it just didn't have "the feel" I wanted.
This version comes very close.  I think it good that DCS get some serious competition.  Best thing for both companies.  DCS has gotten a little complacent.  IL2K is the only thing I see at the moment that can give them serious competition.

But sadly they don't have helo.  DCS will be my rotary wing sim.


Man I'd love to see them use this engine for a Battle of Britain remake.  The Fusion guys did what they could with what they had, but this is clearly a superior engine.

[hazmatt]

I still have hopes for Combat Pilot one day, but they are several years off.  Williams is gone.  A lot an happen to kill a new sim over years of development.  IL2K is drawing from a GB revenue base so they are able to fund development.

Man I'd love to see them use this engine for a Battle of Britain remake.  The Fusion guys did what they could with what they had, but this is clearly a superior engine.

You mean Williams is gone from IL2 or Combat pilot? I haven't been following since he took his big ego and left IL2?

Is the Battle of Britain the one where they were supposed to have VR working a long time ago? What ever happened with that? I bought it to support them but it seems to be turning into vaporware.

[CptTrips]

You mean Williams is gone from IL2 or Combat pilot? I haven't been following since he took his big ego and left IL2?

Is the Battle of Britain the one where they were supposed to have VR working a long time ago? What ever happened with that? I bought it to support them but it seems to be turning into vaporware.

Yep.  He resigned from Combat Pilot.
https://forum.il2-series.com/topic/3008-jason-williams-has-left-the-combat-pilot-team/

Yeah, I bought that Dover Blitz whatever back a couple of years ago.  It was a good effort, but no VR, too ganky, low FPS in large action.  It looked beautiful at the time but too many problems. 
it would be SO much better with this new engine. 

[hazmatt]

Ah. I wasn't aware. Thanks for the update. Heh. Looks like his ego got in the way again: "I can’t say much about why this has happened other than to say there are differences that cannot be overcome. We have all experienced this in our lives at some point."

I never did understand people with the big egos. No matter how good you are at something, there's a pretty good chance there's somebody better then you no matter how much you pound your chest...

Even the old Il2 stuff is pretty good. I just have become so dependent on VR to compensate for my poor gunnery in flat screen games that I don't think I could compete.

I've also gone to no tracers on everything as of late. Seems I do better when I'm not spraying obvious tracers all around them.

[CptTrips]

Ah. I wasn't aware. Thanks for the update. Heh. Looks like his ego got in the way again: "I can’t say much about why this has happened other than to say there are differences that cannot be overcome. We have all experienced this in our lives at some point."

Yeah.  Some people tend to experience it more than others.

I only had a few dealing with him in DM.  He was obviously dedicated and intensely focused.  He struck me as little overly reactive.

[AKIron]

It does look like there's fun to be had. I'll probably buy it sooner rather than later.

[CptTrips]

It does look like there's fun to be had. I'll probably buy it sooner rather than later.

If you think you will get it anyway, consider if the early access is worth getting the F-84E getting thrown in.  Not sure what the price for it would be separately but I think it would be extra.  You would like it.

[hazmatt]

bah. I wanted to see the part where he got shot up by the F80 but he didn't show that part. Go figure.

[LCADolby]

bah. I wanted to see the part where he got shot up by the F80 but he didn't show that part. Go figure.

I hate it when Youtubers don't show their failures, (the irony is not lost on me). 

[AKIron]

Failures are the best part. I've posted many youtube videos and don't get many views but it seems the ones with failures get the most.

I learn more from failure than success.

[hazmatt]

Was it the F80 he was engaging that shot him or a second one. I wasn't really clear on what happened there.