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What Would It Take To Create Utopia?
« on: December 27, 2025, 05:32:01 PM »
Sacrifices.  I don't mean human sacrifices.

Utopia can be created.  The problem is the utter resistance by those consumed with wealth and power.  Those addictions are so powerful, that trying to break them would be a mountainous challenge.

The first hurdle is to break he bonds of supply and demand.  That is the foundation of our financial civilization.  Those chains are so heavy and thick, that snapping then would be impossible to many.  That's where the first sacrifice comes into play.  Billionaires and millionaires would have to agree for the removal of personal wealth.  Wall Street and corporations would have to agree on no more profit and the elimination of stocks.  Banks would have to close up shop.  Money has to become obsolete.

How does anything get done?

The next sacrifice is the individual governments funded by the taxes and tariffs.  A new system must be placed in that vacuum.  Intellectuals become the new governing bodies based on their specific educational backgrounds and life experiences.  That process will require much deliberation of specific criteria.  Starting with towns and cities, the new organizational structure would grow into larger administrative regions until a global body has emerged.  A great challenge to be undertaken.

How does individuals function?

This sacrifice is the easiest.  Everyone has a job.  The best part is anyone can choose to be a lowly worker or work up the ladder.  Everyone has a place to live, clothes to wear, food in their belly, access to full medical treatment, and access to higher learning.  Redundancy in a specific job is fully part of the system since money has no place.  A restaurant has a full staff at all hours of operation.  Maintenance has all the skilled employees to cover all areas of operation.  There should be no shortages in manpower.

What about those who refuse to work?

The most delicate sacrifice of all.  They will have to be taken to special designated areas.  These areas are kept at primitive levels.  Basic shelter, clothing and food with basic medical care provided by volunteer staff.  They are not prisons but facilities to spur individuals into wanting a better way of life within the human civilization.  A scared straight type of setting.

There are more issues and challenges to overcome.  These are the basic examples to get the idea across.  An individual can work as a janitor and still live life in luxury or get a higher education and still live a life in luxury.  The way white collar and blue collar should exist in equalness.



 
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Re: What Would It Take To Create Utopia?
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2025, 05:49:23 PM »
Sacrifices.  I don't mean human sacrifices.

Utopia can be created.  The problem is the utter resistance by those consumed with wealth and power.  Those addictions are so powerful, that trying to break them would be a mountainous challenge.

The first hurdle is to break he bonds of supply and demand.  That is the foundation of our financial civilization.  Those chains are so heavy and thick, that snapping then would be impossible to many.  That's where the first sacrifice comes into play.  Billionaires and millionaires would have to agree for the removal of personal wealth.  Wall Street and corporations would have to agree on no more profit and the elimination of stocks.  Banks would have to close up shop.  Money has to become obsolete.

How does anything get done?

The next sacrifice is the individual governments funded by the taxes and tariffs.  A new system must be placed in that vacuum.  Intellectuals become the new governing bodies based on their specific educational backgrounds and life experiences.  That process will require much deliberation of specific criteria.  Starting with towns and cities, the new organizational structure would grow into larger administrative regions until a global body has emerged.  A great challenge to be undertaken.

How does individuals function?

This sacrifice is the easiest.  Everyone has a job.  The best part is anyone can choose to be a lowly worker or work up the ladder.  Everyone has a place to live, clothes to wear, food in their belly, access to full medical treatment, and access to higher learning.  Redundancy in a specific job is fully part of the system since money has no place.  A restaurant has a full staff at all hours of operation.  Maintenance has all the skilled employees to cover all areas of operation.  There should be no shortages in manpower.

What about those who refuse to work?

The most delicate sacrifice of all.  They will have to be taken to special designated areas.  These areas are kept at primitive levels.  Basic shelter, clothing and food with basic medical care provided by volunteer staff.  They are not prisons but facilities to spur individuals into wanting a better way of life within the human civilization.  A scared straight type of setting.

There are more issues and challenges to overcome.  These are the basic examples to get the idea across.  An individual can work as a janitor and still live life in luxury or get a higher education and still live a life in luxury.  The way white collar and blue collar should exist in equalness.



 

The scariest part of this post was, "Intellectuals become the new governing bodies based on their specific educational backgrounds and life experiences." 

Sounds familiar.  Wake up, folks, or your kids/grandkids are going to have endure the socialist experiment described above, as many throughout history already have.         
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Re: What Would It Take To Create Utopia?
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2025, 06:39:41 PM »
Huxley's Brave New World had the answer...

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Re: What Would It Take To Create Utopia?
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2025, 06:45:40 PM »
Humans are incapable of creating a utopia, human nature gets in the way. :)
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Re: What Would It Take To Create Utopia?
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2025, 06:49:56 PM »

Sounds like some kind of communist B.S. to me...



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Re: What Would It Take To Create Utopia?
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2025, 06:56:04 PM »
Humans are incapable of creating a utopia, human nature gets in the way. :)

People looking to government for meaning becomes a problem, too.  Ever noticed how many who are drawn to socialism are not religious, and how socialist/communist governments push or even demand secularism?       
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Re: What Would It Take To Create Utopia?
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2025, 07:15:08 PM »
Sounds like some kind of communist B.S. to me...

Quite the Kumbaya depiction, isn't it.  Meet the new Cabinet of the United States.  They all have degrees and the proper life experiences.

   
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Re: What Would It Take To Create Utopia?
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2025, 07:29:08 PM »
Sounds like some kind of communist B.S. to me...


Sounds like it's been postulated before:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSzoLCCX-Y

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Re: What Would It Take To Create Utopia?
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2025, 07:27:24 AM »
Utopia depends on slave labor.

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Re: What Would It Take To Create Utopia?
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2025, 08:06:23 AM »
Utopia depends on slave labor.

Isn't that what AI is about...

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Re: What Would It Take To Create Utopia?
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2025, 08:12:07 AM »
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Re: What Would It Take To Create Utopia?
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2025, 08:18:51 AM »
Define Utopia.

Start with the most basic unit. Is that a person? A family? A village? What does it take to make that unit content? If your "system" cannot achieve contentment for your most basic unit any extrapolation will also be discontent.
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Re: What Would It Take To Create Utopia?
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2025, 09:55:17 AM »
Sacrifices.  I don't mean human sacrifices.

Utopia can be created.  The problem is the utter resistance by those consumed with wealth and power.  Those addictions are so powerful, that trying to break them would be a mountainous challenge.

The first hurdle is to break he bonds of supply and demand.  That is the foundation of our financial civilization.  Those chains are so heavy and thick, that snapping then would be impossible to many.  That's where the first sacrifice comes into play.  Billionaires and millionaires would have to agree for the removal of personal wealth.  Wall Street and corporations would have to agree on no more profit and the elimination of stocks.  Banks would have to close up shop.  Money has to become obsolete.

How does anything get done?





The next sacrifice is the individual governments funded by the taxes and tariffs.  A new system must be placed in that vacuum.  Intellectuals become the new governing bodies based on their specific educational backgrounds and life experiences.  That process will require much deliberation of specific criteria.  Starting with towns and cities, the new organizational structure would grow into larger administrative regions until a global body has emerged.  A great challenge to be undertaken.

How does individuals function?

This sacrifice is the easiest.  Everyone has a job.  The best part is anyone can choose to be a lowly worker or work up the ladder.  Everyone has a place to live, clothes to wear, food in their belly, access to full medical treatment, and access to higher learning.  Redundancy in a specific job is fully part of the system since money has no place.  A restaurant has a full staff at all hours of operation.  Maintenance has all the skilled employees to cover all areas of operation.  There should be no shortages in manpower.

What about those who refuse to work?

The most delicate sacrifice of all.  They will have to be taken to special designated areas.  These areas are kept at primitive levels.  Basic shelter, clothing and food with basic medical care provided by volunteer staff.  They are not prisons but facilities to spur individuals into wanting a better way of life within the human civilization.  A scared straight type of setting.

There are more issues and challenges to overcome.  These are the basic examples to get the idea across.  An individual can work as a janitor and still live life in luxury or get a higher education and still live a life in luxury.  The way white collar and blue collar should exist in equalness.


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Re: What Would It Take To Create Utopia?
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2025, 11:50:01 AM »
Utopia is the fantasy of the small mind, devoid of purpose.
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Re: What Would It Take To Create Utopia?
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2025, 01:04:19 PM »
Utopia is the fantasy of the small mind, devoid of purpose.

It's impossible at scale.  People become infatuated with fantasies but the reality of human nature makes the concepts a fools venture used to build and consolidate power by authoritarians. 

So unless you are going to find a way to inflict a Pluribus type society hive mind, there is a zero percent chance the system survives the string pullers orchestrating it the same way every communist/ socialist experiment has so far.