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Re: Congrats! You got your war...
« Reply #75 on: March 01, 2026, 01:08:32 PM »
can someone explain to me what is a plan for this ?
we remove leadership and then what ? what of thousands armed regime thugs ?
Once bombing stops democracy and friendly government will blossom somehow ?
like it did in venezuela ? or afganistan? or iraq ?

what is the end game here ?

They're gonna party like it's 1978. Soon as the IRGC realizes they're done and gives up or they are eliminated the world just became a better place.
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Re: Congrats! You got your war...
« Reply #76 on: March 01, 2026, 01:12:41 PM »
Hamas is done regardless. Can Hezbollah survive without support from the Islamic Republic? I suspect not or at least they will be greatly diminished. The people of Iran will be free from the oppression of the Islamic Republic and they have made this desire known for many years now.
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« Reply #77 on: March 01, 2026, 01:15:38 PM »
There's a number of organisations going to be wondering where the funding for their protests are going to be coming from. :old:
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Re: Congrats! You got your war...
« Reply #78 on: March 01, 2026, 01:27:01 PM »
can someone explain to me what is a plan for this ?
we remove leadership and then what ? what of thousands armed regime thugs ?
Once bombing stops democracy and friendly government will blossom somehow ?
like it did in venezuela ? or afganistan? or iraq ?

what is the end game here ?

There is none.

They planned for the unarmed people to finish the job. 50% needed, 50% theater.

Typical of USA to change a regime and get worse then they started with. This can be worse.

Intel did not agree with what this admin said. Normal for this admin. Pumped chest with no brains, big mouths stupid words. They lied just like GWB did in Iraq MDs


Only 27% Americans fully support this. Only 35% support him. This is going to have a hard bite.
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Re: Congrats! You got your war...
« Reply #79 on: March 01, 2026, 01:30:41 PM »
There is none.

They planned for the unarmed people to finish the job. 50% needed, 50% theater.

Typical of USA to change a regime and get worse then they started with. This can be worse.

Intel did not agree with what this admin said. Normal for this admin. Pumped chest with no brains, big mouths stupid words. They lied just like GWB did in Iraq MDs

We're gonna keep this post up to help you remember how clueless you are when the Iranians establish their new government.
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« Reply #80 on: March 01, 2026, 01:30:53 PM »
They're gonna party like it's 1978. Soon as the IRGC realizes they're done and gives up or they are eliminated the world just became a better place.

I don't think it will happen unless you put boots on the ground.  Regime change I mean.

We bombed Nazi Germany into rubble for four years.  They could have held out another twenty. 

It wasn't until Allied boots were deep in Germany that we got regime change.  How long did we bomb N. Vietnam?

I just remember HW encouraging all those Iraqi's to rise up.  They all got slaughtered and Saddam laughed at our naivete.  We didn't get rid of Saddam until we marched an army in there.

You think this will make them crumble?  Did the Blitz?  Did 9-11?  Remember, these are people who marched children across minefields to clear them.

I'm not against blowing up Mullahs.  But I believe we just got committed to something I'm afraid will be a very long project.  If we are going to get locked into something like that, maybe months, maybe years, maybe decades, it needs to have gone through open deliberation in the Congress the way the Founders intended.  There was no immediate critical threat that require action before Congressional Authorization of Force could be voted on. 

And don't say, "Everybody does it."
Because someone else has violated the Constitution does then give everyone free-for-all pass to do so.  If someone committed a rape and got away with it, does that give anyone the right to rape then?  Of course not.

You either believe in adherence to the Constitution, or you don't.  If that is a situation decision for you, then you don't really believe in the form of government the Founders tried to give us.
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Re: Congrats! You got your war...
« Reply #81 on: March 01, 2026, 01:32:04 PM »
We're gonna keep this post up to help you remember how clueless you are when the Iranians establish their new government.

I don’t converse with weirdos

You are clueless ysing projection. I could think circles around you and always do. Cram it clown :) insults = low IQ, you have nothing
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Re: Congrats! You got your war...
« Reply #82 on: March 01, 2026, 01:35:21 PM »
I don't think it will happen unless you put boots on the ground.  Regime change I mean.

We bombed Nazi Germany into rubble for four years.  They could have held out another twenty. 

It wasn't until Allied boots were deep in Germany that we got regime change.  How long did we bomb N. Vietnam?

I just remember HW encouraging all those Iraqi's to rise up.  They all got slaughtered and Saddam laughed at our naivete.  We didn't get rid of Saddam until we marched an army in there.

You think this will make them crumble?  Did the Blitz?  Did 9-11?  Remember, these are people who marched children across minefields to clear them.

I'm not against blowing up Mullahs.  But I believe we just got committed to something I'm afraid will be a very long project.  If we are going to get locked into something like that, maybe months, maybe years, maybe decades, it needs to have gone through open deliberation in the Congress the way the Founders intended.  There was no immediate critical threat that require action before Congressional Authorization of Force could be voted on. 

And don't say, "Everybody does it."
Because someone else has violated the Constitution does then give everyone free-for-all pass to do so.  If someone committed a rape and got away with it, does that give anyone the right to rape then?  Of course not.

You either believe in adherence to the Constitution, or you don't.  If that is a situation decision for you, then you don't really believe in the form of government the Founders tried to give us.
I don't find any, "Yeah, but..." convincing.

Because I don't want to lose the rest of my points I'm not going to get political with you beyond reminding you of the War Powers Act of 1973 and the fact the Iranian people have already demonstrated their resolve to the tune of 38,000 slaughtered by the Islamic Republic.
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Re: Congrats! You got your war...
« Reply #83 on: March 01, 2026, 01:36:13 PM »
I don’t converse with weirdos

You are clueless ysing projection. I could think circles around you and always do. Cram it clown :) insults = low IQ, you have nothing

I don't expect any conversation. I'll pop up that quote now and then when you say something stupid.
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« Reply #84 on: March 01, 2026, 01:38:27 PM »
That War Powers Act was passed by Congress. If you deny Congress the right to make law then all laws become null and void.
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Re: Congrats! You got your war...
« Reply #85 on: March 01, 2026, 01:44:06 PM »
That War Powers Act was passed by Congress. If you deny Congress the right to make law then all laws become null and void.


And I asked you to read the act again last time too. ;)


According to Section 2(c) of the Act, the President can only introduce U.S. Armed Forces into "hostilities" (or situations where hostilities are imminent) under three conditions:

1.  A Declaration of War by Congress.

2.  Specific Statutory Authorization (like an Authorization for Use of Military Force, or AUMF).

3.  A National Emergency created by an attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.



Gemini said
The War Powers Act (WPR) is still in force and is designed to cover almost all forms of military activity, not just "boots on the ground" infantry. However, this is one of the most debated and "lawyered" areas of U.S. foreign policy.

1. Does it cover Air Power and Missiles?
Yes, legally. The text of the law refers to the "introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities." It does not distinguish between a soldier with a rifle, a pilot in a fighter jet, or a technician launching a cruise missile.

The Intent: When the law was passed in 1973, it was a direct response to the "secret bombings" of Cambodia during the Vietnam War—an air campaign. Congress specifically wanted to prevent the President from waging war from the sky without their input.

The Language: Section 4(a)(2) of the Act specifically mentions the introduction of forces into the "territory, airspace or waters of a foreign nation, while equipped for combat." This clearly includes naval ships and air force squadrons.
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Re: Congrats! You got your war...
« Reply #86 on: March 01, 2026, 01:58:35 PM »

And I asked you to read the act again last time too. ;)


According to Section 2(c) of the Act, the President can only introduce U.S. Armed Forces into "hostilities" (or situations where hostilities are imminent) under three conditions:

1.  A Declaration of War by Congress.

2.  Specific Statutory Authorization (like an Authorization for Use of Military Force, or AUMF).

3.  A National Emergency created by an attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.



Gemini said
The War Powers Act (WPR) is still in force and is designed to cover almost all forms of military activity, not just "boots on the ground" infantry. However, this is one of the most debated and "lawyered" areas of U.S. foreign policy.

1. Does it cover Air Power and Missiles?
Yes, legally. The text of the law refers to the "introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities." It does not distinguish between a soldier with a rifle, a pilot in a fighter jet, or a technician launching a cruise missile.

The Intent: When the law was passed in 1973, it was a direct response to the "secret bombings" of Cambodia during the Vietnam War—an air campaign. Congress specifically wanted to prevent the President from waging war from the sky without their input.

The Language: Section 4(a)(2) of the Act specifically mentions the introduction of forces into the "territory, airspace or waters of a foreign nation, while equipped for combat." This clearly includes naval ships and air force squadrons.

You have a link to the full text of the War Powers Act?

I found one.

https://psc.uncg.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/War-Powers-Act.pdf
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Re: Congrats! You got your war...
« Reply #87 on: March 01, 2026, 02:05:01 PM »
They're gonna party like it's 1978. Soon as the IRGC realizes they're done and gives up or they are eliminated the world just became a better place.

they will not just "give up" until someone with the gun shows up to make them.
They have been slaughtering people for years, if you give up - families of those people will show up in your house shortly, and there goes your family.

There is no opposition to "hand over" power to. Son of Shah has been talking up media - not sure if that is a good idea for anyone and i doubt Iranians will like it.

Thousands of people will die in local fights for power. What emerges could be worst then what was there before.
"World will be a better place" sounds like a wishful thinking, not a thought out plan/strategy.

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« Reply #88 on: March 01, 2026, 02:05:44 PM »
You have a link to the full text of the War Powers Act?
I found one.

From your link:

(c) The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States
Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly
indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to
(1) a declaration of war,
(2) specific statutory authorization, or
(3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its
territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

This is something Trump has been threatening for months, and tip-toeing up to for weeks.
There was plenty of time to go to Congress, make the case on why this was needed, and what the exit conditions look like.
Congress can then vote either option 1 or 2.

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« Reply #89 on: March 01, 2026, 02:06:42 PM »
When a country insists they are going to destroy you and then persists in developing the weapons capable, claiming they can do so quickly, it's not a stretch to consider them an imminent threat.
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