Mig23 vs F4E vs SAMs

[RichardDarkwood]

And you are always there to de-rail as hard and as fast as you can, kleenex in hand and hard on in the other.. 

We could always make a game of what he will spew out. Like a bingo card

[Spikes]

You're probably right but I doubt that's going to happen. Please move to jet forum if one is created.

I think he meant post it in a War Thunder forum or DCS forum or anywhere will people will know what you're talking about.

[AKIron]

Keeping an eye on the SAMs is crucial to dodging them. Can be hard to do, especially when there's more than one after you. I try to fly perpendicular to them until they get close then I start a hard turn towards them. If I time it right they pass behind me because they are unable to turn with me.

[hazmatt]

I think he meant post it in a War Thunder forum or DCS forum or anywhere will people will know what you're talking about.

Ah. I get it. I never said I was smart. The problem with those forums is people don't have the same level of dedication and mostly you get irrelevant garbage. I've had much better luck posting on the IL2 forums but the jet jocks there seem few and far between. I respect the people here more then the 10 year olds on forums which is why I was posting here instead. Point taken.

[hazmatt]

Well, the F4E is pulse radar, no look-down-shoot-down.  You can, with work arounds (boresight/CAA).

The F4J has look-down-shoot-down capability.  Sounds like WT at least got that right.

Shrikes suck and they suck bad. Not sure on WT, but Lofting is terrible, go with Direct (as I think you explained).  You'll need to launch when your about 12ft away from the target.  Deal with it. 

I have noticed that the only way I can get reliable hit is after the SAM starts shooting at me and that usually doesn't end well.

Warthunder is fairly accurate, especially in sim mode. The massive amount of planes they throw out there does mean that there are some issues for sure but overall I would say it's like AH3 in real battles, IL2 in sim battles, and space invaders in arcade mode. In sim battles for example, there are no icons (except inside 800m range on friendlies) and no external views.

[hazmatt]

Keeping an eye on the SAMs is crucial to dodging them. Can be hard to do, especially when there's more than one after you. I try to fly perpendicular to them until they get close then I start a hard turn towards them. If I time it right they pass behind me because they are unable to turn with me.

I've been using S turns on the deck too which seems to help bleed their speed when I'm running away. I might try what you said if I decide to go back to trying to shoot them.

[AKIron]

I just set up a scenario with an SA-11 (expert lvl) about 15 miles from my F-16 at 15K heading straight towards the SAM. I didn't use chaff and couldn't dodge it. Outta practice.

[Tumor]

I just set up a scenario with an SA-11 (expert lvl) about 15 miles from my F-16 at 15K heading straight towards the SAM. I didn't use chaff and couldn't dodge it. Outta practice.

Expert level is typically beyond ridiculous, especially regarding RED assets.  They're Russians... and no different than than 1970s Soviet Olympic Judges judging a Soviet Olympian.

[AKIron]

I think "good" is the default when you plop them down. I'll change to that and see if I can dodge them. I know I could once upon a time though never 100% of the time. The DCS template for the SA-11 group contains 4 launchers with 4 missiles each I think. Each of those launchers has it's own tracking radar it seems. You can take out the main radar units in the group and everything else but the launchers and the launchers can still get you.

[AKIron]

When I hit a SAM site I prefer CBUs to destroy all of the units. More risky because you must overfly the site or get very close to drop but it's the only way to be sure.

[Tumor]

JMHO but I've always though CBUs tend to be dramatically nerfed.

[AKIron]

In DCS the CBU-105 is a devastator. It is supposed to be a wind correcting version of the CBU-97 but it is much more than that. Even if there's no wind and both are dropped exactly on target the CBU-97 does much less damage. Unfortunately the CBU-105 is not available to the DCS F-18. 

[AKIron]

Brother and I hitting an SA-11 site with CBU-105s. Action starts about 7 mins in.

[hazmatt]

Brother and I hitting an SA-11 site with CBU-105s. Action starts about 7 mins in.

That part where you pulled up and it seemed like everybody in the area locked you up was exactly what I was talking about. Nice video.

[AKIron]

That part where you pulled up and it seemed like everybody in the area locked you up was exactly what I was talking about. Nice video.

Made that one almost a couple of years ago. We got better at. we were able to level 3 SA-11 sites, each about 5 miles apart, in one pass.