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Offline DmonSlyr

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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2026, 09:08:53 AM »
Yeah, issue was there was a big event on Saturday. Other issue is the map really determines playability more than anything. I don't disagree about the tower sitters since they do effect ENY.

I like DCS, but there isnt a MA type atmosphere and no icons kinda sucks tbh for WW2. Same for IL2. There are aspects to AH like scoring that starts over every month, 3 side maps, anything goes, tons of planes, being able to see where the action on the map is, and a talkative community, that separates it from the other games. Oh plus the special events that no other simulator has.

Only reason the game is "dying" is due to subscription model. If there is one thing that could change (which I know is a dead horse now). It would bring so many players back to the game. Hardly anyone wants to spend $15 on a game just to try it again for a day or 2, even though its not expensive, it is in the gaming community when so many older games like this are free. The level of competition in gaming and simulators is much higher than it use to be.

There are days that sucks. Days I log in and log right back out because theres no action that suites my style, and days where fights are going all day long and battles are super fun. Thats what keeps me coming back. I realize that when I see BowlMA and its 4 O'clock and no action on the map that I need to go play another game or do something else and check back later. Thats the way I still have fun and dont make AH the be all end all when certain maps arent playing the way you like.
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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2026, 09:52:50 AM »
Funny they complain about monthly subscriptions and they so called cut their cable tv but now pay more for numerous monthly subs than ever before...

It's not that it's a monthly sub but that it's $15 a month which is very high  compared to other monthly subscriptions fees...

$4.95 is more realistic but HT would have to triple current subscription numbers just to break even with his monthly income now coming in..

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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2026, 09:55:50 AM »
Hey Traveler, I love flying the 38 too, haven't been on much in MA lately...but scenarios and FSO are a lot of fun. Be happy to run some missions with you guys!  :salute :cheers:
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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2026, 10:01:23 AM »
Funny they complain about monthly subscriptions and they so called cut their cable tv but now pay more for numerous monthly subs than ever before...

It's not that it's a monthly sub but that it's $15 a month which is very high  compared to other monthly subscriptions fees...

$4.95 is more realistic but HT would have to triple current subscription numbers just to break even with his monthly income now coming in..

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Lowering the price at this point would be foolish.

The remaining population is not price sensitive and intends to stay regardless of any new development.  You won't lose any of the remaining by keeping the price where is it, and you're not going to get any meaningful new population by lowering it.

You would just choose to earn less off the same customer base.

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Besides, he has been lowering the price every year since 2000.

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Your **$15 price in 2000** would need to be about **$28.76 today** to keep up with CPI inflation. The BLS CPI calculator uses CPI-U for urban consumers. ([Bureau of Labor Statistics][1])

Since you still charge **$15**, your real price is now equivalent to about **$7.82 in year-2000 dollars**.

That means:

**Effective real price decrease:** about **47.8% total**
**Annualized real decrease:** about **2.47% per year**

So, in practical terms, you’ve been giving yourself about a **2.5% real price cut every year** since 2000.

[1]: https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm?utm_source=chatgpt.com "CPI Inflation Calculator"



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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2026, 10:25:54 AM »
Lowering the price at this point would be foolish.

The remaining population is not price sensitive and intends to stay regardless of any new development.  You won't lose any of the remaining by keeping the price where is it, and you're not going to get any meaningful new population by lowering it.

You would just choose to earn less off the same customer base.

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Besides, he has been lowering the price every year since 2000.

Yes I guess looking at it that way..one day it will cost HT $$ for us to play his game..probably sooner than later..

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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2026, 10:53:27 AM »
Price is fine considering a happy meal is like $10 these days.

Just need to get more addicts to show up. The two week trial isn’t nearly enough to sink the claws in. Especially with the overall skill of the remaining players. Still think a limited plane set for free is the way to go. A set that makes them semi-competitive. Like a Zero, P-40, 109F, B-25s, couple early tanks and the support equipment for taking bases and such. Adds a bunch of potential targets and will make players think that, if they just had access to that tempest or tiger, they would rule the battlefield. A plane or two would need to be just good enough that they might survive a bit longer in the MA. Maybe a P-51B or a G14 accessible by perks?
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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2026, 11:01:13 AM »
Yes I guess looking at it that way..one day it will cost HT $$ for us to play his game..probably sooner than later..

Hardware is mostly a sunk cost.  Maybe occasional component replacement.
He pays no office or server hosting rent.
Bandwidth is getting cheaper all the time.
The electrical load for the limited population probably isn't going to break him.

It is a boutique service for a small and aging-out customer base, but it is a product that most of us admit can't be exactly duplicated elsewhere if you need exactly this.

So it's providing a needed service.  Lock it in a closet.  Do just enough to keep it running as-is.

Decades of work has created a fixed annuity he can just draw a small stipend and not worry about it anymore.

The population will decline at the demographic mortality rate so that is predictable and can be budgeted around. 

I imagine the population would have to get pretty small for him to shut it down based on overhead costs.

But if he could sell off his code and hardware that would be the better exit.  In the next year or two with AI and the Invasion of Taiwan, server hardware may become worth it's weight in gold.



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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2026, 11:47:29 AM »
Players just move on. It’s not always based in something wrong with a game.
Seems a common story I see is a player started a family, raised kids and when the kids have grown tend to go looking for that adrenaline fun again. Usually hear this from return players.

The dip off in 2016-ish was not all a bad game or sub reason, except when you raise kids time and budget gets cuts.

Some leave to branch out to “bigger and better” sims. No matter the graphics its hard to find this type of high adrenaline game play. So they tend to get their high-end graphics fix there, high adrenaline game play here.

Turning graphics up tends to depend on how many planes and actions. You might be able to turn graphics up with less players, but performance may take a hit with a larger number in view. Can you imagine the hit on performance if DCS had 75 planes in view?

We have a lot of headroom. IMO, I think fresh effects and terrain tiles would be the limit before you change performance too much. Effects are very brief and limited in on whats in view.

NUMBERS

Critical Mass starts at 110 players. The game changes from yuk to fun. It also starts an uptic cycle. Players log in to see what game play is like, they see it look fun an stay to play, now you’re on your way to 120, at which point the game starts rocking, which can inspire even more players to play.

When I returned in 2022, the average MA numbers were 90-112. Literally as an oddity, the numbers coincided with time of night. A strange yet very predictable pattern. At 6p CT MA was 60, at 7p CT its 70, 8p CT 80-115.

That is the exact pattern we have right now. No matter the sub count that’s what the MA is still doing.

Exceptions

SUMMER NUMBERS KICKING IN
This has been a pattern in sims since dirt was invented. And usually at this times player go into numbers panic. Rest assured, number dip is normal. Below 80 at 8p is a concern.

Wed & Thur tend to cap off at 80-90, for unknown reason

Fridays primetime 8p CT numbers can get to 120-130 as players warm up for FSO. WITH NEW TIME CHSNGE IN fSO, it seems it’s drawing 5-10 more players at 9p CT.
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The new downunder map held an larger audience later than normal. Usually MA dumps players at about 9:15p CT, dipping down to about 60-70.

The new map numbers were at 80+ at 10:30p CT

This map has more condensed battles with shorter distances. What players have been begging for. It’s a great change of pace.

Maps matter.
The historical maps tend to have a higher draw.

It’s mental for me, even if game play is good, as soon as I see a symmetrical map I sigh. It’s a visual immersion thing. It shouldn’t matter, but it does. If I’m that way there’s probably 10 more who feel the same. The visual doesn’t pull me in, but I play anyway.

I’m a bit anxious to see how the new dwnundr maps effects numbers, as this setup is closest to what they asked for.

IN SHORT
if we can get the average number of 110-115 it’s POSSIBLE to kick start a natural uptick cycle that sells itself.

I think this happened in the era of MotA when we hit 200, higher numbers inspired higher numbers. Same happens in opposite direction when below 110.

So in my much resented opinion, we just need to promote enough to get that cycle started. 10 more consistent players puts us over that edge.

Personally, because of the constant bashing,…I’ve done what I’m going to put into it. It’s not worth it to me, I don’t need it. I came here fun and help were I could. I’ll stick to the fun  part. Problem with being out front, you learn who your friends aren’t. I’m not fond of making self-proclaimed enemies happy. I’d rather do zero. Someone else can/should take a shot at it. GL





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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2026, 11:48:52 AM »
One would think that a player base shrunk by the decades would be close knit. That may be the case but it doesn't look like that from the perspective here on this board. More than a little crowing and complaining. Beat me up if you must, sticks and stones....
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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2026, 11:51:00 AM »

Personally, because of the constant bashing,…I’ve done with what I’m going to put into it. It’s not worth it to me, I don’t need it. I came here fun and help were I could. I’ll stick to the fun  part. Problem with being out front, you learn who your friends aren’t. I’m not fond of making self-proclaimed enemies happy. I’d rather do zero. Someone else can/should take a shot at it. GL


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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2026, 11:58:42 AM »
How many times are you gonna repeat this before you actually leave?

Listen, even if I was going to leave by you disgruntled former players, the more likely I will stay out of pure spite.

Biggest troll on bbs. Yet here we go again, a disgruntled former player starting his trolling drama fix.

I’m staying because of you. You will push me NOWHERE, EVER. Go home
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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2026, 11:59:36 AM »
You’re such a moron I don’t know how else to do it anymore.

Why does every post from you have to be 48 paragraphs? You need a wellness check.
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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2026, 12:01:16 PM »
Listen, even if I was going to leave by you disgruntled former players, the more likely I will stay out of pure spite.

Biggest troll on bbs. Yet here we go again, a disgruntled former player starting his trolling drama fix.

I’m staying because of you. You will push me NOWHERE, EVER. Go home

So it was just more "look at poor me" then.
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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2026, 12:04:35 PM »
You’re such a moron I don’t know how else to do it anymore.

Why does every post from you have to be 48 paragraphs? You need a wellness check.
Ruin another thread, blithering idiot. How many paragraphs in Mayhem post?
Who the hell do you think you are? You’re just a drama queen who who helped ruin the ladt thread you stuck your polluted finger in.

Stfu
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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2026, 12:06:37 PM »
Toxic poison waste of life
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