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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #135 on: April 28, 2026, 12:58:44 PM »
In theory it could be set and forget, just randomize 5 aircraft each week or month. Granted, you might end up getting 5 Spitfires or 5 GVs, though I assume that could be hard-coded too (1 GV 2 fighters, 2 bombers per rotation for example). I'm not saying it's the best method by any means, just an interesting way of doing it is all.

As for the perk thing, I am not sure how much should be divulged but the thought process was to have everything multiplied on a free account. So the base perk value of a 262 is 250 I believe - on a free account that would be much higher, say 2250, P-51 say 100, Spit 9 say 50. Those are arbitrary numbers and would likely need to be determined by some sort of formula. The issue is deciding which aircraft should be 0. I don't think many people would be generating much in a Spit 1 or Hurri 1, especially a newer player.
The equipment selection would need to be playable in the MA. I believe you could set it as a date. Like all equipment that was introduced through a certain date. December 1942 or January 1943 seems a good cutoff because they would have access to Spit9s, 109-G2s, Zekes, P-40s, B-17s, Sherman’s, T-34s (not the 85) and more. Variety would be a positive. I would eliminate the free to play players from having any access to the currently perked equipment whatsoever except in special arenas like FSO, scenarios, and Monday night madness. There has to be a reason for them to step up to the $15. Limiting perks to a set value which resets every month also encourages that step up to a subscription by giving them a little taste of what they’re missing. I would start low with access to post 1943 rides requiring perks for free players. You could always open up more perks for them if you’re feeling generous. Or you could have sales on perks.
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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #136 on: April 28, 2026, 12:59:43 PM »
Aces sticks are overall better than il2 sticks.

I agree. I don't think there are any players that don't have years of experience.

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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #137 on: April 28, 2026, 01:08:27 PM »
you could make this game FREE.99 and it still won't grow.

That's an interesting take. You may be on to something. I was doing some testing of running AH3 on Linux and ended up with a free trial, however I didn't find the game as exciting with the two country ganging and the pick and running that was going on and I did not play any more of the free trial after I was done my testing.

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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #138 on: April 28, 2026, 01:21:40 PM »
That's an interesting take. You may be on to something. I was doing some testing of running AH3 on Linux and ended up with a free trial, however I didn't find the game as exciting with the two country ganging and the pick and running that was going on and I did not play any more of the free trial after I was done my testing.
I still think AWACS is a HUGE factor in this. It has been an absolute boon for the horde/pick and run crowd and 100% discourages defense. It’s compounding as the numbers dwindle. I will die on this hill and how bad it is for the game!
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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #139 on: April 28, 2026, 01:25:24 PM »
I still think a two tiered model will bring some life back. The steam release had potential but the people there were sold a bag of snake oil when AH was “free” to play because it required a subscription to get into anything that could sell them on the magic of the game (MA and Events). The learning curve is too steep for a two week trial. The problem is people are not going to pay for something that they can’t even get semi-proficient at. It’s not that they lack the fortitude to do so. If you look at other games where it is free to play, the entry is free but adding value after the start generates revenue. Looking at games like COD, you can play and grind to to get competitive or you can buy battle passes and such to get guns and skins off the jump. I’m not proposing that exact model but something similar to get players hooked.

It should go something like this…

Option one: Free to play with access to the MA and events.

A limited plane/GV set that can achieve some success in the MA. You could set all available equipment prior to a certain date (pre 1943?) or simply hand pick some to be available.

100 perks that allow players to use on later war equipment (current perk models excluded) with a perk cost of 20 regardless of model. These perks would reset every month. This would allow free players to experience late war rides in a very limited capacity.

Skins downloadable but limited to default only. (Maybe available for purchase at a buck a piece?)

Possible purchase of perks (100 for $5) basically a buck per plane.

Option two: Would be the same model we already have.



This would get the hooks into players and let them learn at their own pace without the absolute need to shell out any funds. It also gives value to the $15 model as an upgrade. I would lobby hard for the removal of AWACS. This would simultaneously help the new additions sneak a kill in every now and then while limiting the clubbing they’re going to take while learning. AH is sneaky in its ability to give dopamine to players. It’s kinda like golf where you hit the one good shot in an hundred and you’re hooked.

I agree. I think being able to purchase perk points is a good idea when matched with a FTP plane set. I think it kinda mimics the "pay to win" model I think many are used to.

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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #140 on: April 28, 2026, 01:27:41 PM »
Glad someone thinks so. I’m sure it would be a considerable amount of work

AI has come a long way in writing code. I had it code a fairly complicated program for me from scratch and I think it would be able to do a good deal of the mods if he had the source code to start with.

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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #141 on: April 28, 2026, 01:29:46 PM »
I have fond memories of jumping into Air Warrior around Jan of '90 on my Amiga 2000. Had read about it before getting back to the US from a 5 year tour at Kadena. Didn't know how to turn tracers on or who to shoot at. I probably shot at everyone, and hit no one.

HA! I started with an Amiga 500. I had to get a 486/SX 25 to be competitive though because my Amiga 500 just didn't have enough power at the time.

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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #142 on: April 28, 2026, 01:33:51 PM »
I agree. I think being able to purchase perk points is a good idea when matched with a FTP plane set. I think it kinda mimics the "pay to win" model I think many are used to.
Agreed. Then some player comes to the realization that they spent $20 on perks this month and comes to terms with the $15 that unlocks tigers, 262s, and B-29s.
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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #143 on: April 28, 2026, 01:35:33 PM »

When I spoke to HT last he was not opposed to the idea of making some stuff free in the MA, or possibly having the free tier require perks for most things.

What?! From what I heard the FTP thing was a no-go. That's exciting news. If there was a FTP I think some of us that don't actively play anymore might stop in from time to time to provide some cannon fodder.

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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #144 on: April 28, 2026, 01:47:34 PM »
The equipment selection would need to be playable in the MA. I believe you could set it as a date. Like all equipment that was introduced through a certain date. December 1942 or January 1943 seems a good cutoff because they would have access to Spit9s, 109-G2s, Zekes, P-40s, B-17s, Sherman’s, T-34s (not the 85) and more. Variety would be a positive. I would eliminate the free to play players from having any access to the currently perked equipment whatsoever except in special arenas like FSO, scenarios, and Monday night madness. There has to be a reason for them to step up to the $15. Limiting perks to a set value which resets every month also encourages that step up to a subscription by giving them a little taste of what they’re missing. I would start low with access to post 1943 rides requiring perks for free players. You could always open up more perks for them if you’re feeling generous. Or you could have sales on perks.

Well, the B-17G entered service in June of 43, and the T-34/76 in February of 43. I think that general timeframe would be fine, though there would probably be folks perfectly happy to fly Spit 9s or 109G2s and never pay a dime. Those planes are perfectly MA viable in my opinion. Not as fast or capable as late war stuff, but also have to keep in mind this would theoretically bring in a larger pool of people with those same planesets, so there would be more of them out there too, not just all P-51s, Yak 3s, and D9s like we have today.

My opinion of course, but I feel like the free selection needs to be fairly limited and needs to ride a fine line of not terrible but also not good. Basically, barely MA viable. You want people to have success and enjoy but also want to entice them to pony up and access all of the planes to enjoy the game even more. I would consider the likes of the Spit 1, Hurri 1, P-40C, C.202 as not feasible to play in the MA, but one step up like the Spit V, 109F, P-40E, Yak-7b can provide some opportunity. Of course, no chosen planeset is going to make everybody happy.  :)

To equate it to something like War Thunder or World of Tanks/Ships and being uptiered/downtiered, not everything has to be equal, just needs to be in the realm of possibility.


If it were up to me, and it isn't, I would have the following as a rough 'free' list:
Land Fighters:
P-40C, P-40E (maybe), P-39D (maybe), Hurri 1, Hurri IID, Spit 1, Spit V, I-16, Yak-7b, Ki 43, Bf 109E, Bf 109F, Bf 110C, C.202
Land Bombers/Attackers:
A-20G, B-25C, C-47, He 111, Ju 87D, G4M1
CV Planes:
F4F, Sea Hurricane, A6M2, SBD, D3A, B5N, TBM (maybe)
GVs:
M8, M4 75, T-34/76, Panzer IV F, SdKfz 251, M3 (maybe)

Something like this gives a decent variety with some capable planes for all aspects of the game, while saving the better/more efficient aircraft for the paid or perked tier.
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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #145 on: April 28, 2026, 02:07:24 PM »
These weekly thought experiments are interesting and fun, but that’s all they ever will be

The only one thought that matters clearly isn’t thinking about any of this. By all accounts it does not need the money and has weighed that against the amount of work to build and maintain.

Technically there is nothing wrong with this game for where it now exists in its own timeline. The sooner you all get around to this the better off you will be. Just ride it into the the sunset and enjoy the journey along the way.

Instead of focusing on what could be, has anyone thought about what happens if HT is no longer able to turn the power on for any reason? Is there a disaster plan? Is there a successor lined up? Will it just be dark on day? Just curious…
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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #146 on: April 28, 2026, 02:16:19 PM »
Well, the B-17G entered service in June of 43, and the T-34/76 in February of 43. I think that general timeframe would be fine, though there would probably be folks perfectly happy to fly Spit 9s or 109G2s and never pay a dime. Those planes are perfectly MA viable in my opinion. Not as fast or capable as late war stuff, but also have to keep in mind this would theoretically bring in a larger pool of people with those same planesets, so there would be more of them out there too, not just all P-51s, Yak 3s, and D9s like we have today.

My opinion of course, but I feel like the free selection needs to be fairly limited and needs to ride a fine line of not terrible but also not good. Basically, barely MA viable. You want people to have success and enjoy but also want to entice them to pony up and access all of the planes to enjoy the game even more. I would consider the likes of the Spit 1, Hurri 1, P-40C, C.202 as not feasible to play in the MA, but one step up like the Spit V, 109F, P-40E, Yak-7b can provide some opportunity. Of course, no chosen planeset is going to make everybody happy.  :)

To equate it to something like War Thunder or World of Tanks/Ships and being uptiered/downtiered, not everything has to be equal, just needs to be in the realm of possibility.
Understood. (Thought the T34 came earlier. ‘41???) There could be a set of hand picked equipment. But I really like the date option. Make it a simple cutoff without applying any bias. Also, what you or I consider viable is not what an average player just starting or returning would consider viable. Especially for those just getting in. There needs to be something like a Spit9 for the people to get good in. Part of the goal would be retention (even for the freebies). Just good enough to be competitive and keep the targets present in spite of the “handicap”. But I get what you’re laying down. If it’s too good, there’s no incentive to upgrade. That’s player dependent though and hard to measure.
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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #147 on: April 28, 2026, 05:03:36 PM »
These weekly thought experiments are interesting and fun, but that’s all they ever will be

The only one thought that matters clearly isn’t thinking about any of this. By all accounts it does not need the money and has weighed that against the amount of work to build and maintain.

Technically there is nothing wrong with this game for where it now exists in its own timeline. The sooner you all get around to this the better off you will be. Just ride it into the the sunset and enjoy the journey along the way.

Instead of focusing on what could be, has anyone thought about what happens if HT is no longer able to turn the power on for any reason? Is there a disaster plan? Is there a successor lined up? Will it just be dark on day? Just curious…

But there is movement. As I said, Kenai does the map updates and quick fixes, Greebo does the Skins admin, and Spikes does some of the webpage updates and other things behind the scenes. Hitech is allowing others to add, adjust, and maintain the game.

Who knows how much more "help" he will allow, and how much more that may advance the game in the world.

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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #148 on: April 28, 2026, 05:55:30 PM »
Well, the B-17G entered service in June of 43, and the T-34/76 in February of 43. I think that general timeframe would be fine, though there would probably be folks perfectly happy to fly Spit 9s or 109G2s and never pay a dime. Those planes are perfectly MA viable in my opinion. Not as fast or capable as late war stuff, but also have to keep in mind this would theoretically bring in a larger pool of people with those same planesets, so there would be more of them out there too, not just all P-51s, Yak 3s, and D9s like we have today.

My opinion of course, but I feel like the free selection needs to be fairly limited and needs to ride a fine line of not terrible but also not good. Basically, barely MA viable. You want people to have success and enjoy but also want to entice them to pony up and access all of the planes to enjoy the game even more. I would consider the likes of the Spit 1, Hurri 1, P-40C, C.202 as not feasible to play in the MA, but one step up like the Spit V, 109F, P-40E, Yak-7b can provide some opportunity. Of course, no chosen planeset is going to make everybody happy.  :)

To equate it to something like War Thunder or World of Tanks/Ships and being uptiered/downtiered, not everything has to be equal, just needs to be in the realm of possibility.


If it were up to me, and it isn't, I would have the following as a rough 'free' list:
Land Fighters:
P-40C, P-40E (maybe), P-39D (maybe), Hurri 1, Hurri IID, Spit 1, Spit V, I-16, Yak-7b, Ki 43, Bf 109E, Bf 109F, Bf 110C, C.202
Land Bombers/Attackers:
A-20G, B-25C, C-47, He 111, Ju 87D, G4M1
CV Planes:
F4F, Sea Hurricane, A6M2, SBD, D3A, B5N, TBM (maybe)
GVs:
M8, M4 75, T-34/76, Panzer IV F, SdKfz 251, M3 (maybe)

Something like this gives a decent variety with some capable planes for all aspects of the game, while saving the better/more efficient aircraft for the paid or perked tier.

Remove the spit5, 109F, and the Sea Hurricane and thats a pretty good list. Those planes would encourage too many free riders IMO.
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Re: Game called due to lack of interest
« Reply #149 on: April 28, 2026, 05:57:08 PM »
But there is movement. As I said, Kenai does the map updates and quick fixes, Greebo does the Skins admin, and Spikes does some of the webpage updates and other things behind the scenes. Hitech is allowing others to add, adjust, and maintain the game.

Who knows how much more "help" he will allow, and how much more that may advance the game in the world.

I’m not talking about those things. Community improvements are great and that’s exciting but it’s not very deep. It just doesn’t feel like anything major will happen anymore and that’s ok!
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