Author Topic: bring on the NIGHT!!! (Read 1235 times)

Rufus · « **Reply #15 on:** April 16, 2000, 10:23:00 PM »

I'd like to add my 2 pence worth. (although people just seem to diss most of my ideas

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Anyway, I think that the addition of night would increase everything about the game right now. Just Imagine the new landscape subtly moonlit.

Also I agree, with the alledged introduction of the Lancaster (Hurrah!!! any idea when anybody???), night would be almost a necessity to allow successful sorties in this aircraft. It was seriously underarmed to be a serious day bomber until very late in the war when almost total Allied air superiority over Europe was certain.

An interesting thought of mine is manned searchlights? Although you wouldn't be able to shoot anything down, you could possibly get a score for finding an aircraft, or link an ack battery to a searchlight so you can shoot things down.

Right, you can now rip into my ideas and comments.....

Rufus - over and out.

RAM · « **Reply #16 on:** April 16, 2000, 11:10:00 PM »

Although I see the idea as a wonderful one, and I like it, I guess that this cant be done. people is talking about 20min long nights. Well, German night fighters were mostly heavy bimotors that had very poor climbrate when full loaded (lets see...Radar set with drag-inducing-dipols, Schrage-Music fittings, heavy gun pods, and full of fuel to reach operational altitude...my guess is that they ALWAYS were overloaded). In 20 minutes you wont be higher than 15K, and that with a light Me110G.

Add to that the fact that we need a hole new planeset. Stirlings, Lancasters, Halifaxes, Mosquitos, Wellingtons...and Ju88, Me110, Uhus...

Then we need to model Radar sets. From terrain mapping British sets, to the german FuG series. Of course, the Monica warning radar, and the passive german RWR tuned to Monica's frequences. Then you need someone to fly with you as radarist, and you NEED ground control vectors, so YOU NEED people grounded so they can read radar lectures to guide the interceptors.(Is that fun?. For me,yes ,for many people not).

Lets face it. Some of us are real WWII nuts, but many people come here to have a couple of fites before going to bed. Night modelled is a HUGE effort by HTC that I doubt that more than 20% people will apreciate it. Maybe in a far future it can be done...but for now there are many more things to fix and do...sad as it is...because I'd really want to play the night ace in my Me110

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Ram, out

Fw190D9? Ta152H1? The truth is out there
JG2 "Richthofen"

CavemanJ · « **Reply #17 on:** April 16, 2000, 11:28:00 PM »

RAM I was thinking something along the lines of 1hr of night every 8 hours. That gives plenty of time for the night fighters to climb to alt. It also allows the pilots going out at night to see it's almost time and get thier missions ready.
Then there's the dawn raid (which is interrupted by the M16s and Panzers that surround the field during the night

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Pongo · « **Reply #18 on:** April 17, 2000, 12:31:00 AM »

We wouldnt need the whole gamut of Radar and avionics to get some of the fun and the feel.
Limit Icons to 1k for non radar AC and 5k for radar AC. Use the ground radar as it is now. make contact dots pretty much invisible against the murk. make low level flying increadably dangourous.

I guess that I am saying we have a superficial ground war model and it is fine for a start..same attitide would get us a night war without giving HTC ulsers.
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew

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CavemanJ · « **Reply #19 on:** June 23, 2000, 10:10:00 AM »

Given the latest developments in 1.03 I thought this thread needed a PUNT. IMNSHO this thread is a good discussion of night fighting. I think there've been some good suggestions about handling radar and icons (though I'm sure most, if not all, will be a real pain to implement).

And I guess the night time we have now is the commentary I asked for from Pyro and HT. As cool as the night is I have to believe it was done by design

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #20 on:** June 23, 2000, 10:32:00 AM »

Thanks for the punt Cave!
All I have to say is....
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Ripsnort · « **Reply #21 on:** June 23, 2000, 10:36:00 AM »

Oh, I'd be just as happy with a 410 as well! So...
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Beefcake · « **Reply #22 on:** June 23, 2000, 10:44:00 AM »

Heheheheheh we need the P61 Black Window, A/B 26C Invader Night Bomber, and the PBY-5 Catalina Black Cat

Ripsnort · « **Reply #23 on:** June 23, 2000, 11:00:00 AM »

Don't forget the F6F hellcat , a version had nite fighting radar as well!

Westy · « **Reply #24 on:** June 23, 2000, 11:41:00 AM »

Beaufighter, Havoc and Mossie's too!!!!!

-Westy

Suave1 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 23, 2000, 11:47:00 AM »

I think even an hour of night is too little, that's barely long enough to do a squad mission . And I've heard people complain about it being too dark, that they have a hard time seeing the ground . I think either they have vision problems or need to adjust their monitors . I have no difficulty seeing the ground or bases from 20k. Search lights would be a treat but I suppose thats along way off . Any way stop teasing us.
GIVE US LONGER NIGHTS MAN !

-duma- · « **Reply #26 on:** June 23, 2000, 12:06:00 PM »

Actually, it wouldn't be too little, you could co-ordinate your mission around the game clock so that as you took off it was dusk, as you fly into enemy territory it becomes night, etc. 1 hour would be enough in that case, but it'd become confusing if the time in RL that the night appeared changed from day to day.

Duckwing6 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 23, 2000, 03:10:00 PM »

Excellent IDEA !!

I want my JU88-S1

i want to kill Mossie pathfinders with it .. and the idea of taking off in dusk and landing after a night of fighting during the first rays of sun at dawn is just too plain good !

Moon .. bring on the Moon ..

RAM: Actually you wouldn't need a Guy giving vectors .. you got DAR on the MAP .. If you adjust Icon ranges it should be possible to do a successfull intercept by merging the dots only (remember we are talking killing Buffs here that are flying a more or less straight line .. also in WW2 the ways of accquiring altitude information were "crude" at best .. so that wouldn't be too unrealistic either ..
(hmmm a new effect for Nate and ouperfly Exhaust flames !!!)

Dar ranges and such might have to be changed tho ..

RAM · « **Reply #28 on:** June 23, 2000, 03:32:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Duckwing6:
Moon .. bring on the Moon ..

RAM: Actually you wouldn't need a Guy giving vectors .. you got DAR on the MAP .. If you adjust Icon ranges it should be possible to do a successfull intercept by merging the dots only (remember we are talking killing Buffs here that are flying a more or less straight line .. also in WW2 the ways of accquiring altitude information were "crude" at best .. so that wouldn't be too unrealistic either ..
(hmmm a new effect for Nate and ouperfly Exhaust flames !!!)

Duck,radar on the map is the Himmelbett line

But I need some airborne radar to last approaches to the enemy bomber, just as was done in WWII.

Also we need reflectors over the city and factories

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mx22 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 23, 2000, 04:06:00 PM »

Guys you cannot have a straight hour of night in MA. Why? Well because many people prefer to fly during the "day hours" and many simple won't have time to wait for the sun to get back up. Maybe a second arena where night will be longer then day should be made, but I doubt you'll see an hour of night in MA.
Btw, I don't like flying during the night. And yes it's too dark and yes I can't see ground (I can see bases though). And no, I would not buy a new monitor just to see ground in AH during nights.

mx22