Which Apocalypse Is the Easiest To Survive?

[AKKuya]

Zombie Scenarios:

Slow walker and dumb
Slow walker and problem solving
Fast walker and dumb
Fast walker and problem solving

Alien Scenarios:

Advanced beyond measure to us
Parasitic controlling
Refugee and melting into society
Puppet masters behind the secrecy

Roboapocalypse scenarios

Terminators
Alien mech AI
Nano virus
Polite AI

Vampire apocalypse scenarios

Underworld films
The Strain tv series
Daybreakers film
True Blood tv series

Supervirus apocalypse scenarios

Natural immunity
Underground bunker
Mutated survivor



Could you handle the worst apocalypse of them all?  You're the only surviving male on a planet of females.  Be honest about the horror you would encounter.





 

[AKIron]

We've survived this zombie apocalypse so far but no one gets out alive.

[Meatwad]

Could you handle the worst apocalypse of them all?  You're the only surviving male on a planet of females.  Be honest about the horror you would encounter.

Death by nagging

[APDrone]

Death by Snu-Snu!

Seems to me we are quickly embracing the Idiocracy Apocalypse.  Seriously.. the magnitude and acceptance of such levels of stupidity boggle the mind.

[AKKuya]

Death by nagging

Watch this Star Trek parody song with Harry Mudd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-8WCwNp_oM&list=RD0-8WCwNp_oM&start_radio=1

[icepac]

Power failure figures into all of the scenarios.

[AKIron]

Fictional EMPs over the US scenarios never seem to take into account support from non affected allies. Fuel, generators, food, other supplies would pour in.

[Brooke]

Fictional EMPs over the US scenarios never seem to take into account support from non affected allies. Fuel, generators, food, other supplies would pour in.

There are studies do take that into account.

3 air bursts could take out every electrical circuit and wire in the continental US.  The following are shut down:  water, waste, food transportation, refrigeration (for food and medicines), pumps, lights, all transportation except walking and bikes.

The average 300,000 people in flight over US would die right then. Lack of water would start killing lots of people within 1-2 weeks.  People needing insulin or some other drugs to survive would die.  Within a month, you would get into food scarcity and probably lots of murdering.  Beyond that, starvation and some disease (from bad sanitation). If it's winter, a bunch of people would freeze to death.

This is for 300 million people over 3 million square miles.  No nation is quickly going to get water and food and medicine to that many people over that much area.  External supply and logistics for that are larger than anything done in history by orders of magnitude.  Canada and Mexico wouldn't be able to help, as part of their stuff would be ruined as well.  They'd have their own deadly problems to deal with.

You aren't going to use any existing wire or pump or electrical device.  They are all ruined.  You can plop down a generator and then run some cables from it, and the extent of those cables is the extent of your power.  You want to pump something?  You'll be installing a new pump.  You want a control system on a pipeline or something?  You'll be installing a new one, along with all new wiring.  You want refrigeration?  You are bringing it with you.

An emp attack on the US would be horrific.  Estimates from studies are 90% of Americans would die withing 1 year, even with foreign help.

Yet, it would take only $20B or so to help reduce casualties a lot.  Basically some redundant transformers, wire, and other stuff in Faraday cages, and some hardening of some things.  $20B is 0.3% of the annual gov spend.  It is the cost of buying 10 B-2 bombers.

But population doesn't really know or care.

[Brooke]

Taking out the US with an emp is the easiest way -- by far -- to destroy the US.

If a terrorist organization, if it had 2-3 little nuke warheads, could pull it off.

All that is required is to launch some low-tech rockets from containers on a container ship in the Gulf, and off each coast.  Get it up to 300,000 ft, and light it off.  Anything from 300 kiloton on up would work.  Don't need big nuke.  Three of those on little dumb rockets with little nukes would do it.

It is well within the ability of North Korea or Pakistan, let alone China or if some European country gets under the control of hostile ideology.

It is within the capability of any country that already has nukes to do it and frame some other country for it.  China or Russia could make it look like North Korea did it.  Or Pakistan.  (Or if Iran had nukes, Iran.)

[Brooke]

To survive that situation (which I think is highly unlikely, but not zero), you'd need water and food to last 6 months to a year.  (Well, and ability to survive subhumans trying to murder you, depending on where you live.)

Fortunately, that (other than subhuman part) is easy and cheap for most places.

Get a filter that can filter out all bacteria and some viruses (like this for $28 https://a.co/d/00do9MMD).  (Although if you live somewhere without any surface water, you need much more to deal with that situation.)

Make 5 gal buckets of rice and beans.  But rice (or beans) in 5 gal mylar bag, with oxygen absorber, heat seal it, close bucket.  Will last 30 years.  1 bucket is 1 man-month of calories.  Rice + beans = "complete" protein.

Have a bag of salt.

Always have a bottle of multivitamins in your house.  Always have a few of jars of ghee or lard or tallow in your house.

You can put together a man-year of this stuff for about $350, put it in basement, or garage, or crawl space, and then you are good for about your whole life.

[AKKuya]

Taking out the US with an emp is the easiest way -- by far -- to destroy the US.

If a terrorist organization, if it had 2-3 little nuke warheads, could pull it off.

All that is required is to launch some low-tech rockets from containers on a container ship in the Gulf, and off each coast.  Get it up to 300,000 ft, and light it off.  Anything from 300 kiloton on up would work.  Don't need big nuke.  Three of those on little dumb rockets with little nukes would do it.

It is well within the ability of North Korea or Pakistan, let alone China or if some European country gets under the control of hostile ideology.

It is within the capability of any country that already has nukes to do it and frame some other country for it.  China or Russia could make it look like North Korea did it.  Or Pakistan.  (Or if Iran had nukes, Iran.)

All the countries working together couldn't destroy America.

Nukes could help wipe out the large cities and military command and control centers.  40 million dead possibly.  Most nukes have clean bomb status with rapid half-life for radiation.

To invade America?

They lack 2 things.  Airlift and sealift capability.  The continental states have 3000 miles of Atlantic from Europe and 10,000 miles of Pacific from Asis as a buffer.  CONUS is 3000 miles wide and 2000 miles tall giving a rough area of 6 million square miles.

Survivors will band together and fight any invasion force.  Enough military, police, and militia members plus regular citizens with shotguns will make them costly beachheads.  There will be occupied areas of course.

Tell me how a terrorist group control 6 million square miles? 

China has to move 100 million troops over 10,000 miles.  The logistics of that will take months to years.  Surviving American naval power will hamper that real estate acquisition.

European forces face a dauntless task.  They have limited naval and airpower much less move soldiers across the Pond.

The only way is put a concentrated effort into moving personnel and material into both Canada and Mexico.  5-year operation.  Attack from the north and south into the Midwest and split America in half, then attack the seaboards.

They will need to hunt down surviving American naval and air assets around the world.  Only, organized 5th column efforts can affect that.

How do I know this?  I'm an American.  I know how to think like an adversary.  Think what plans they have.

That way, I have a plan to stop them.

[Oldman731]

Taking out the US with an emp is the easiest way -- by far -- to destroy the US.

If you haven't already read it, Warday did this.  Great book, on the same line as previous versions such as On the Beach.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warday

- oldman

[Busher]

All the countries working together couldn't destroy America.

 

All supposed great societies destroy themselves from within.

[The Fugitive]

There are studies do take that into account.

3 air bursts could take out every electrical circuit and wire in the continental US.  The following are shut down:  water, waste, food transportation, refrigeration (for food and medicines), pumps, lights, all transportation except walking and bikes.

The average 300,000 people in flight over US would die right then. Lack of water would start killing lots of people within 1-2 weeks.  People needing insulin or some other drugs to survive would die.  Within a month, you would get into food scarcity and probably lots of murdering.  Beyond that, starvation and some disease (from bad sanitation). If it's winter, a bunch of people would freeze to death.

This is for 300 million people over 3 million square miles.  No nation is quickly going to get water and food and medicine to that many people over that much area.  External supply and logistics for that are larger than anything done in history by orders of magnitude.  Canada and Mexico wouldn't be able to help, as part of their stuff would be ruined as well.  They'd have their own deadly problems to deal with.

You aren't going to use any existing wire or pump or electrical device.  They are all ruined.  You can plop down a generator and then run some cables from it, and the extent of those cables is the extent of your power.  You want to pump something?  You'll be installing a new pump.  You want a control system on a pipeline or something?  You'll be installing a new one, along with all new wiring.  You want refrigeration?  You are bringing it with you.

An emp attack on the US would be horrific.  Estimates from studies are 90% of Americans would die withing 1 year, even with foreign help.

Yet, it would take only $20B or so to help reduce casualties a lot.  Basically some redundant transformers, wire, and other stuff in Faraday cages, and some hardening of some things.  $20B is 0.3% of the annual gov spend.  It is the cost of buying 10 B-2 bombers.

But population doesn't really know or care.

From what I understand an EMP is an electromagnetic pulse. It would mess up electronics, like computer controls. So being a pump station worker I'd just pop open the pump motor control boxes and use a screw driver to push in the controllers manually to start the pumps. Most controllers have a "holding" circuit so once it has made contact you can let go and it will stay running. The same can be done at power stations as well. Sure, all the safety and monitoring would have to be taken up by real people instead of computer controls. Thats why EMP dont work well against 3rd world countries, they have very few computer control systems.

[AKIron]

EMPs can destroy electronics but not all electrical equipment/wiring. How thoroughly our electronics would be destroyed is debated. Taking down the power grid for a prolonged period, which they can do, would be devastating. Some will survive. Many won't. Hope we never put it to the test.