AFK ENY - unintended consequences: fix = timer change

[Animl-AW]

I asked about this in the update thread and never really got around to it with anyone. I don’t understand if I’m in a plane auto climbing which I do often while I go do something else. I may be physically AFK but I have a skin in the game, pun very intended, and my flight should affect ENY.

Sometimes I get shot down before I come back so I know I was definitely there even though I really wasn’t.

Don’t know if it is included or not
But auto-climb/level should either be included in controls OR flight cannot be AFK

[Dadtallica]

Don’t know if it is included or not
But auto-climb/level should either be included in controls OR flight cannot be AFK

The switch I read was “away from Joystick” so I assume that means anyone on auto pilot and not touching it

[Animl-AW]

The switch I read was “away from Joystick” so I assume that means anyone on auto pilot and not touching it

I won’t even mention the loophole in that.
It’s not been clarified and may not be.

[Dadtallica]

I won’t even mention the loophole in that.
It’s not been clarified and may not be.

What about the ground pounders? Who find a nice hiding spot and leave for an entire eight hour shift? They’re definitely a way but they’re still involved.

Dale?

[1stpar3]

As Par pointed out he, like many players have thousands of perks in the bank. The point of ENY is to handicap the team that has a numerical advantage. You take away that handicap if you allow players to tap into these huge banks.

On the other hand, if the perks reset each tour ..... 

Resetting every tour?  Absolutely fine with me!  As long as we can spend earned perks during ENY issues.  You know me Fugi.  I love my 3 bomb SpitXVI...but I am fine with lesser rides.    Some times I just want to be in my comfort zone. Resetting would probably keep JG11 from jumping our missions in 262s like they do?   

[Animl-AW]

What about the ground pounders? Who find a nice hiding spot and leave for an entire eight hour shift? They’re definitely a way but they’re still involved.

Dale?

Well, this can get complicated. Because now we might have to get into timeout log-off if your controls see nothing for a time period (shrug)

It’s hard to suggest without more details in the equation, which HT may not expose.

For me, this started out towards tower sitters.
When “controls” are mentioned it gives the impression it also includes in flight.

Something seems misunderstood?

Maybe simple ignorant questions, but without clarification I/we are just guessing our way through it. Which is not very productive.

I think good questions are;

1) Does this new ENY include “controls” while in flight?

2) If so, are auto-climb/level included as “controls”?

I’m stuck on this misunderstanding.

[Shane]

When “controls” are mentioned it gives the impression it also includes in flight.
Something seems misunderstood?
Maybe simple ignorant questions, but without clarification I/we are just guessing our way through it. Which is not very productive.
I think good questions are;

1) Does this new ENY include “controls” while in flight?
2) If so, are auto-climb/level included as “controls”?
I’m stuck on this misunderstanding.

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,412969.msg5477128.html#msg5477128

"I [Kenai77/JimmyD3] called Hitech about the AFK/ENY function. Any player inactive on the keyboard or joystick for more than 5 minutes, is classified as AFK. They then drop out of the ENY calculation. When ever they become active again in the above conditions, they are then included in the calculation.

Seems fairly clear to me, unless Kenai77 misunderstood -which is quite possible, actually. 

I still think raising the timer threshold, and qualifying it by not in flight, eliminates this from becoming manipulatable while preserving ENY removal for those "tower sitters."

[nrshida]

I still think raising the timer threshold, and qualifying it by not in flight, eliminates this from becoming manipulatable while preserving ENY removal for those "tower sitters."

Astutely-observed 

[Animl-AW]

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,412969.msg5477128.html#msg5477128

"Any player inactive on the keyboard or joystick for more than 5 minutes, is classified as AFK.

Yes i know this part.... it does not say whether it just means tower and flight. SO I am safe to assume it's anywhere, including flight.

Because I'm tired of dancing around the bushes on this,... I can take 10 sets of buffs up, get them all pointed in the right direction, and no one touches controls through the entire climb-out. the other side gets hit with ENY and cannot up 163s to go after them in time.

If it includes while in flight, I watched 5 sets of buffs and 4 escorts do exactly that, the first night. Even thought they (Bish) had 29 in flight and us (nits) 18 and rooks 14. Nits got ENY, and no 163s. Unfortunately I didn't see the AFK count.

 If that's how it works that is a massive loophole.

This is why I say include auto-climb/level as controls. if those are set you are doing something.

Sheeeeesh.

[JimmyD3]

I would think "In Flight" would prevent any "AFK" condition. But I don't know that. I'll put that on my list to ask Hlitech.

[Dadtallica]

Some clarification would be cool.

[Animl-AW]

I would think "In Flight" would prevent any "AFK" condition. But I don't know that. I'll put that on my list to ask Hlitech.

I sent him a pm or text the next day. Haven’t heard back, soo…. ya know………

[hitech]

It just a host setting. 5 min may be too short but 30 would be way too long.

HiTech

[Shane]

It just a host setting. 5 min may be too short but 30 would be way too long.

HiTech

It needs to be set at a time where it's not tactically impactful; 15mins is still a bit borderline, imo. 

I also hope it can be flagged for not in-flight players only?

[~ZoSo~]

Wouldn't it be cool if ENY just was gone forever?  I usually see one country getting ganged by the other two countries anyway. So the Bish lose the war, so what? We get a new map and move on. Just this evening, one country had 13 in flight, another 12 and finally the other with 10. And we have ENY while the team with 13 in flight is getting ganged by the other two countries. Insipid. I think if it were put to vote, it would be gone. And that's my worthless 2 cents.