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[Animl-AW]

Fry with who ever you want to, but

The horde squads are the problem, even more so in a smaller numbers environment. Your safe, we have the numbers, way of playing for your own satisfaction is an absolute detriment to the game and ignores the simple fact that a newcomer wont be on your side, know how to change sides and it ignores completely the gameplay of others.

Passing the buck to the solo flyer isn't a viable way to argue or refute the assertion, as a solo cannot gangbang and bully a new comer out of the game for repeat kills on said new comer nor do the solos pat each other on the back for gangbanging other aircraft into oblivion and jump another guy 3v1 all gun blazing like its a WarThunder lobby.

Your gameplay, regardless of how you feel or how you feel about Shane or myself or any other opposer of you horders, is a problem, especially as Bish routinely have high numbers and new starts go immediately to a lower numbered "highly likely to be under the hordes thumb" side. Their whole experience is being repeatedly killed and morale destroyed. My buddy flew without me for one day and has already asked about other options because the same guys killed him 3 times. He's not even had time to get to know anyone else but the towel has been thrown in and IL2 is already being downloaded.

Empirical evidence says; Maybe it is time to rotate and give some thought to the damage hordes actually do have on the individual trying to navigate AcesHigh.

This^^^

I’m having convulsions saying that

HT obviously witnessed the problem and Tuesday that problem will be limited, because the problem forced it. He’s forcing Bis & Rooks (RISH) to fight each other despite the obvious agreement to fight knits only. That damaging party is over

A bank rubber will never admit takin the money.

Thus pattern if denial crosses several unpopular subjects.

[Shane]

This^^^

I’m having convulsions saying that

HT obviously witnessed the problem and Tuesday that problem will be limited, because the problem forced it. He’s forcing Bis & Rooks (RISH) to fight each other despite the obvious agreement to fight knits only. That damaging party is over

A bank rubber will never admit takin the money.

Thus pattern if denial crosses several unpopular subjects.

tl;dr - double-teaming isn't the same as horde-ing, altho' it can include that.

gonna burst your bubble... until we know the % limit one side can take, not a % of how much one side can lose, beyond the doubling of the take limit, we don't know how it will actually play out.  I've not noticed one side going for 40% of another's lately, let alone another as well, yet double-teaming still exists.

Let's say the capture % is no more than 30% of a side (I think it will be closer to 33%) this means, each side, that double-teaming, could take 30% leaving you with 40% to claw back from.  If it's 35% that puts that bucket team down to 30% of bases left.  Lower than 30% risks a stagnant map as re-takes needed are fewer and potentially more of a motivator.  Maybe it'll be a floating dynamic based on map base totals to avoid skewing it against the smaller maps; something like 20% base + 3-5 bases cushion or 20% base + a % of base totals. Lots of options, subject to review after it goes live.

But yeah, it could very well shift the fight dynamics.   Those excess players could still perform spiteful strat runs instead of shifting the fight, so we'll see how it all plays out.

[The Fugitive]

Fugitive, my idea keeps squads in tact. I said you can't expect players to switch sides and that's true. But a forced reshuffle after every map change, while keeping  squads in tact, is a totally different dynamic. I don't think many people care what Chess piece they have by their name.

It would be a great solution for what Shane is showing that's happening in the early hours. I don't see any negatives in it.

Way better than ENY BS.

It might actually balance the game. Use AI to determine the best shuffle based on current trends.

What issue would you have with that?

I understand that, but there are some players in my squad who dont want to go to another team. I did suggest to the squad that we switch to Knights. It would help us get away from ENY on squad nights, it would help even the sides which is good for the game. Some players were good with it, they dont care which country they play on as long as the squad is there. Others, wouldn't change no matter what even if it busted up the squad.

Please revisit my sig lines, especially the last two. 

Another fundamental aspect of my persona is only respecting effort. This goes way, way back.  My "smack" has always been directed at that, a lack of effort, whether it's being 3 v 1, or being the 4th, 5th  or 6th person in, or being HOing-biased and limited in acm. Or simply being a runner.  You've been around long enough.

What changed was encountering this persistent morning numerical imbalance - going on about 5 years now from my perspective; was it like that prior to my return? 

And Fugi, I take it you're an adult with agency, and it surprises me you think your skwad mates would shun you for breaking a silly rule.

I haven't had issues with "teh warz" since forever.  I don't particularly care about winning teh warz per se, as much as I enjoy seeing a bit more coordinated actions that also provides contestability. I'm very much there for a coordinated base-take that doesn't involve a needless horde. I don't even care for all-in double-teaming, no matter which side is in that bucket.

I think you struggle with this concept of contestability.
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Im not going to debate this any more. It is human nature for players to have fun doing what they want in the game. Morning Bish seem to love rolling maps with out opposition. It is what it is. You want better fights, unfortunately there just aren't that many around these days. You seemed to be pretty content to sit in a gun last night. You landed what 8 kills in that gun while the rest of us were fighting over the port.

Respectfully I think some of you are identifying the wrong problem. It was suggested by us Euros long ago that AH would parallel an ephemeral lake the shrinking border of the pool being analogous to the start and end times of US Primetime. Completely understand the lack of interest back then: it didn't affect you.

The morning horde (of both Bish and Knight disposition) is an anomaly and indeed squad-motivated. Padded out with a lot of hangers-on who know there's safety in numbers and those who find the occasional pick rewarding somehow. I don't think they particularly care about the gameplay of others or anything resembling a decent fight as the olden days of AH used to value. However if you interfere with their locust-like activities by force of altering arena settings at this point they will quit en masse. The window for those changes closed long ago.

I've been proposing for years to re-open A1, A2 and A3 in the MPA to allow some semblance of a furball lake to perhaps re-establish. I'm not sure if this is viewed as a potential dilution of MA activity but this is quite wrong. The horde are going to horde and don't care to have meaningful opponents. As the arenas are presently disposed you have three choices if you can fly at this time of day:
1 - Pointlessly fight the horde like a subscription lemming through perpetual 5, 7 or even 9-vs-1 engagements (if you're lucky)
2 - Join the horde
3 - Log out (or worse, don't log in in the first place)

I'm suggesting 4 - give players an alternate place to fly to expand the viable prime-time. Offer parallel gameplay possibilities.

Yes I have been banging on about the furball lake for years, is that so weird that half a dozen rewarding fights a week - regardless of score or outcome - would keep the hobby alive for me and other like-minded players? There used to be a lot and many of those might be at retirement age by now.

I would also point out that the old DA - in contrast to the present MPA - was a subscription arena. Which many of us happily paid purely to have some fun fights. There were parallel gameplay options. Now there aren't.

Call Hitech and talk to him about it. I don't think it would mater, nor work the way you hope it would. "Monday Night Madness" runs every Monday, its been around a long time, it is well known yet they barely get more than a dozen players to last an hour or two. There just isnt that many "fighters" left that fly just for the fun of fighting.

This^^^

I’m having convulsions saying that

HT obviously witnessed the problem and Tuesday that problem will be limited, because the problem forced it. He’s forcing Bis & Rooks (RISH) to fight each other despite the obvious agreement to fight knits only. That damaging party is over

A bank rubber will never admit takin the money.

Thus pattern if denial crosses several unpopular subjects.

Your paranoia is showing again. Bish and Rooks have no "agreement". Bish fought Rooks almost all night last night as that was the only fight. Funny thing was Knights were hitting the Rooks from the other side as well. I hope the lock down on the base percentage gets tightened up quickly. It will help opening fights up on different fronts. Too many nights I log in to find the only fight is on the Knight/Rook front.

[Shane]

Others, wouldn't change no matter what even if it busted up the squad.

Im not going to debate this any more. It is human nature for players to have fun doing what they want in the game. Morning Bish seem to love rolling maps with out opposition. It is what it is.

And y'all claim to be adults? Sounds kind of... juvenile, actually.

Yeah, it's clear you have a minimal understanding of game theory.   That "it is what it is" is one of the weakest logical arguments around.

It's clear you are personally afraid of either taking the social consequence (lol, really? what?)  of breaking a silly skwad rule, or looking for an actual challenge by experiencing firsthand what you discount others experiencing - you don't even have to leave your skwad to go knit/rook a few hrs in the mornings now and then and switch back by evening. 

Do it 7-10am (cst for at least an an hour or two, 2 or 3 times a week (day), you can log off by 11am/noon and still be able to switch back for 6pm primetime.  You claim to have some time to do this. You are an adult with agency, right?

<edit: you don't even have to leave bish, 1 more in the swarm won't matter. Come get an actual experience.>

[Rubicon]

There just isnt that many "fighters" left that fly just for the fun of fighting.

This is one of the reasons I have been getting bored in the game.  It seems that the first option for people is a GV or manned ack position.  The most effective defenceof a town is often just to run M3's with supplies.  Players naturally gravitate to the easiest option and that option is to horde or use means other than aircraft.

Those of us who want to fly are often either against impossible odds or left looking at empty skies as the other two chess pieces fight on the other side of the map and we have already changed sides once looking for the air fight.  Auto switch does not appear to alleviate that issue all that well either.

[Animl-AW]

tl;dr - double-teaming isn't the same as horde-ing, altho' it can include that.

gonna burst your bubble... until we know the % limit one side can take, not a % of how much one side can lose, beyond the doubling of the take limit, we don't know how it will actually play out.  I've not noticed one side going for 40% of another's lately, let alone another as well, yet double-teaming still exists.

Let's say the capture % is no more than 30% of a side (I think it will be closer to 33%) this means, each side, that double-teaming, could take 30% leaving you with 40% to claw back from.  If it's 35% that puts that bucket team down to 30% of bases left.  Lower than 30% risks a stagnant map as re-takes needed are fewer and potentially more of a motivator.  Maybe it'll be a floating dynamic based on map base totals to avoid skewing it against the smaller maps; something like 20% base + 3-5 bases cushion or 20% base + a % of base totals. Lots of options, subject to review after it goes live.

But yeah, it could very well shift the fight dynamics.   Those excess players could still perform spiteful strat runs instead
 of shifting the fight, so we'll see how it all plays out.

3-4 weeks ago Rooks took like 50-60%, Bish took 15-20%
We had 3 bases.

There IS an absolute agreement between Bish snd Rooks. I’ve seen enough and listening to nothing now. Zero doubt in my mind. It’s way beyond obvious. Notice they never defend and say its not. Silence speaks a million words.


We’ll see what the adjustable % is, but it’s time to crush that horrified of Knits nonsense. It screams weakness and fear

[Dadtallica]

So some of you need to GO OUTSIDE!

[Shane]

This is one of the reasons I have been getting bored in the game.  It seems that the first option for people is a GV or manned ack position.  The most effective defenceof a town is often just to run M3's with supplies.  Players naturally gravitate to the easiest option and that option is to horde or use means other than aircraft.

Those of us who want to fly are often either against impossible odds or left looking at empty skies as the other two chess pieces fight on the other side of the map and we have already changed sides once looking for the air fight.  Auto switch does not appear to alleviate that issue all that well either.

A lot of the pure fighters have left or have a reduced presence.  There are plenty who can sort of fight and hang around the offense/defense ops, but the focus may be more on the action than the fighting.

The evening double teaming can be problematic in that feast/famine and it's actually a result of the morning game play as it progresses into afternoon and prime time. 

Nothing stops any fighterizer from just upping a base going to a nearby enemy and asking for some fights.  You may get some, especially if you don't camp the runway or be 10k up. 

[Animl-AW]

So some of you need to GO OUTSIDE!

Your every night GB is getting its wings clipped. Go outside and get over it. Hordeing gutless sissies

[Shane]

3-4 weeks ago Rooks took like 50-60%, Bish took 15-20%
We had 3 bases.

There IS an absolute agreement between Bish snd Rooks. I’ve seen enough and listening to nothing now. Zero doubt in my mind. It’s way beyond obvious. Notice they never defend and say its not. Silence speaks a million words.


We’ll see what the adjustable % is, but it’s time to crush that horrified of Knits nonsense. It screams weakness and fear

Was it a small map?  Yeah, it was. I guess knits did something to get put in that particular bucket?   

There is no agreement between any 2 sides to double team. it's usually an organic progression from earlier day game play that ends up in that.  Lately bish have been in the evening double-team bucket.  Rooks have been in the past.  Would you like me to explain it, or would you like to actually experience it for yourself by playing in the mornings thru the mid-afternoon so you can see how evenings evolve?

I don't think it will have much of an immediate impact in stopping any double-teaming, just the extent to how far a double-team can go.

[-gg-]

Regarding the idea of an AI intelligent shuttle after map reset...... Maybe squads can input a preference of what country they'd want to be on and it can take that into consideration if it can be worked out otherwise the shuffle goes however it needs to go.


I really don't think it would be a big issue for anyone. It's because the symbol next to their name is different? That doesn't even make sense. It's retarded. And it would be so beneficial to gameplay.

In my opinion it would be the most fair thing that's happened in a long time. I'm not sure how effective it would be about balancing the numbers, but I'm guessing it would be pretty damn effective.

[-gg-]

Anyway, it's fun to meet new people. Everybody's cool in the game not just on the country. The country the people that switch sides and end up on our side now and then. They're all really cool and I like them. It's fun talking with them and flying with them and it's sad to see them go when they automatically get switched sides.

[Shane]

Regarding the idea of an AI intelligent shuttle after map reset...... Maybe squads can input a preference of what country they'd want to be on and it can take that into consideration if it can be worked out otherwise the shuffle goes however it needs to go.


I really don't think it would be a big issue for anyone. It's because the symbol next to their name is different? That doesn't even make sense. It's retarded. And it would be so beneficial to gameplay.

In my opinion it would be the most fair thing that's happened in a long time. I'm not sure how effective it would be about balancing the numbers, but I'm guessing it would be pretty damn effective.

Heh, you must have missed this from Fugi:  I understand that, but there are some players in my squad who dont want to go to another team. I did suggest to the squad that we switch to Knights. It would help us get away from ENY on squad nights, it would help even the sides which is good for the game. Some players were good with it, they dont care which country they play on as long as the squad is there. Others, wouldn't change no matter what even if it busted up the squad. 

No idea the % of "sure,yeah" vs "never", but there you go, the result is never.

[The Fugitive]

And y'all claim to be adults? Sounds kind of... juvenile, actually.

Yeah, it's clear you have a minimal understanding of game theory.   That "it is what it is" is one of the weakest logical arguments around.

It's clear you are personally afraid of either taking the social consequence (lol, really? what?)  of breaking a silly skwad rule, or looking for an actual challenge by experiencing firsthand what you discount others experiencing - you don't even have to leave your skwad to go knit/rook a few hrs in the mornings now and then and switch back by evening. 

Do it 7-10am (cst for at least an an hour or two, 2 or 3 times a week (day), you can log off by 11am/noon and still be able to switch back for 6pm primetime.  You claim to have some time to do this. You are an adult with agency, right?

<edit: you don't even have to leave bish, 1 more in the swarm won't matter. Come get an actual experience.>

I just created a second account for a couple of months. Turned out I was too busy to play in the morning. Maybe I'll add it again this winter. On the other hand, Im still having fun.

[Shane]

I just created a second account for a couple of months. Turned out I was too busy to play in the morning. Maybe I'll add it again this winter. On the other hand, Im still having fun.

Sure, if you say so.  But I think we both know what will happen.  Who knows, maybe your deferral will give HT time to make changes, so you don't have to face... experiences.