Idea to alternative to replace AWACS radar

[LilMak]

I'm not good at reading between the lines but I'm pretty sure he said: "it is NOT going to happen" So I guess this is dead horse beating at this point.

Again he said he’s not going to revert it back to the way it was and I haven’t personally asked for that in my crusade.

How about this for working with you HT?
I live in Houston. I’ll drive up to Dallas, buy you lunch, and explain my point of view face to face. At which point you can explain your desire to keep it the way it is. After lunch I’ll never bring it up again if that’s what you want. I can do this as early as Halloween weekend.

[The Fugitive]

I think the towers should work as they do, but it think they should be harder a bit more like the ammo bunkers were. That seems to have worked well.

I think the delay Hitech mentioned should be tried. I'm not sure what the delay is now, 5 seconds? But 30-60 could be better.  That will simulate the time it took to get the info to the dispatchers.

The radar of the gvs is another thing, maybe a delay here of 15-20 seconds.

The issue with how it is now is if you run into a single con and you both are looking forward to a1vs 1 it can't happen as everyone in the area zeros in on the fight. It is not so much "trying to sneak up on someone " it's more about being able to make a plan, or working to pull one or two guys out of the herd to have a fight that you think you might have a chance  in.

[hitech]

I think the towers should work as they do, but it think they should be harder a bit more like the ammo bunkers were. That seems to have worked well.

I think the delay Hitech mentioned should be tried. I'm not sure what the delay is now, 5 seconds? But 30-60 could be better.  That will simulate the time it took to get the info to the dispatchers.

The radar of the gvs is another thing, maybe a delay here of 15-20 seconds.

The issue with how it is now is if you run into a single con and you both are looking forward to a1vs 1 it can't happen as everyone in the area zeros in on the fight. It is not so much "trying to sneak up on someone " it's more about being able to make a plan, or working to pull one or two guys out of the herd to have a fight that you think you might have a chance  in.

I'm not sure, but have you considered less information may make that worse because players would head toward where they think a fight would most likly be hence all headed same spot?

HiTech

[Lazerr]

One thing for certain.. i dont think the radar icon should identify the plane type.  The dots were sufficient.  If the information is available by hovering over the radar blip, id lean towards removing the bomber/fighter dar icon for friendlies too, just to keep it uniform.

Not sure how I feel about proximity dar without seeing it tried with different settings like range, and a longer delay.

Maybe double the delay and cut the range in half?

I can see the perks of having it to help locate some action, but maybe a little too gamey as it sits.

[The Fugitive]

I'm not sure, but have you considered less information may make that worse because players would head toward where they think a fight would most likly be hence all headed same spot?

HiTech

Head to where a fight MAY be or go to where a fight IS like it is now. With the delays they could head where they think a fight MAY be, but after the delay they will know for sure and they can turn away if there isn't one. It would give the 1 vs 1 30-60 seconds to happen and maybe some time to recover for the incoming cons.

The same information would be available,  just delayed enough for fights vs gang fest.

[hitech]

Head to where a fight MAY be or go to where a fight IS like it is now. With the delays they could head where they think a fight MAY be, but after the delay they will know for sure and they can turn away if there isn't one. It would give the 1 vs 1 30-60 seconds to happen and maybe some time to recover for the incoming cons.

The same information would be available,  just delayed enough for fights vs gang fest.

I have no issue with trying 30-60 secs.

HiTech

[The Fugitive]

I look forward to trying it out. 😊

[Randy1]

There are several defensive and offensive oddities in the game besides awacs.  They are all game functions not simulator functions.  Functions intended to enhance and or balance the game.  Are you willing to have all non-simulation, gaming functions removed?

[Spikes]

I have no issue with trying 30-60 secs.

HiTech

Will that also effect tower-based radar?

[LilMak]

Head to where a fight MAY be or go to where a fight IS like it is now. With the delays they could head where they think a fight MAY be, but after the delay they will know for sure and they can turn away if there isn't one. It would give the 1 vs 1 30-60 seconds to happen and maybe some time to recover for the incoming cons.

The same information would be available,  just delayed enough for fights vs gang fest.

Sounds an awful lot like a solution easily addressed with a more robust Darbar to me.

I have no issue with trying 30-60 secs.

HiTech

Not ideal for me but anything is better than being pounced before you can even close the distance (let alone get a shot off) at first contact encountered.

[captain1ma]

so fly around to something that may or may not be there. if not i just wasted all kinds of time getting there. its bad enough the fuel burn is ridicules, but hey lets add an extra burden to finding a fight.

[LilMak]

so fly around to something that may or may not be there. if not i just wasted all kinds of time getting there. its bad enough the fuel burn is ridicules, but hey lets add an extra burden to finding a fight.

If you can’t find a fight with darbar alone. You’re not looking for one.

What’s the average flight time between bases? 7-8 minutes at a reasonable climb rate? Maybe take more than a quarter tank?

[Dadtallica]

If you can’t find a fight with darbar alone. You’re not looking for one.

What’s the average flight time between bases? 7-8 minutes at a reasonable climb rate? Maybe take more than a quarter tank?

I think more what he’s saying, kind of what I was alluding to as well is that by the time you get somewhere, everyone could be gone so it’s better to know what’s there in some manner.

[LilMak]

I think more what he’s saying, kind of what I was alluding to as well is that by the time you get somewhere, everyone could be gone so it’s better to know what’s there in some manner.

That could happen on every flight no matter how much information is presented. If the goal is simply to know where everything is all the time simply turn on radar for all at all times. At least then the six guys converging on one wouldn’t have a situational advantage over the one guy who can only see one or two of the six converging on him.

Imagine the whining that would happen if my plane painted tanks on radar the way they currently painted me on radar and I started bombing them with the clipboard.

[Dadtallica]

Not a fan of the stuck icons for 45 seconds. What we had was just fine!!!

Everyone is frozen!  I like the clipboard open when I fly and now it looks like it’s hung up. Who was this appealing to???

All I did was fly around circles for half the night who was this helping? There’s nowhere near enough people for this. It’s 2026 playing a computer game it’s not 1945.

Sorry all… it really bothers me lol. 

Can we please go back to yesterday?