Idea to alternative to replace AWACS radar

[hitech]

Previous was 5 switching it to 20 now

[LilMak]

Here’s my thoughts on the update.

First, overall I think it’s a vast improvement.

The fights were better. Being outnumbered didn’t mean instant death. Fights on the fringes resulted in some good quality combat without being instantly overwhelmed. Defenders seemed to pop up at attacked bases because they weren’t positive what the attacking force looked like and the roles from attacking and defending could quickly flip rather than just seal clubbing defenders into submission. I witnessed this as an attacker and defender. Combat was easy to find. Darbar still works ad a tool for discovering the enemy. The map itself contributed to this (good design) with 3 way action happening regularly. Bombers appeared to enjoy a bit more success getting through.

Something is funky with the refresh. Friendly player names and aircraft type would not display unless the radar had recently refreshed. Not a huge deal but something of note and slightly annoying.

Active radar rings where the tower is still up should have a higher refresh rate (if possible) adding to their strategic importance and supplementing defensive operations.

The comments I heard were mostly confusion about the update. Not necessarily bad or good but general misunderstanding. There was some bad and some good. Pilots like me loved it. Others were upset.

I think it should marinate where it is for a couple weeks before adjustments are made but believe it might need to be drawn back to about 35 seconds (if the tower refresh can’t be adjusted independently). Mostly because a good chunk of a radar ring can be traversed in 45 seconds.

As far as polling is concerned. I’d be careful because the tendency of players is to always take the path of least resistance. If you put up a poll that asked if 163s should have unlimited fuel, ammo, and six twenties with an ENY of 35, you’d destroy the game.

[LilMak]

Previous was 5 switching it to 20 now

I feel like this is an over correction given how new it is. 30 would’ve been nice.

[~ZoSo~]

Previous was 5 switching it to 20 now

Thank You!   

 

[Dadtallica]

Previous was 5 switching it to 20 now

This is probably fine everyone can adjust I suppose.

[AKIron]

Maybe an option to turn off the radar for you only. That would remove you from the map for everyone but also remove everyone else from your map. Limit the frequency of the on/off switch. Maybe once every 10 mins.

[LilMak]

I liked the thrill of having to look over my shoulder again personally.  I also caught a few people not paying attention very well, you can tell a lot of folks were using it as a crutch.

The 45 seconds for dar to refresh gives you alot of time to close in on bad guys not looking around.

I'd still cut the range down to 4k for planes, even less or 0 for gvs.

Agreed on all counts of you’re referring to mobile radar towers. Icons should stay at 6 (eyeballs) but proximity dar should be 4 or 3 for aircraft and 0 for GVs. I’m thankful the MA was a blast for one night and I had time to play. 20 seconds might be enough but I’m skeptical and fear the clipboard addiction will not abate without further “adjustments” in the wrong direction. We shall see.

[Animl-AW]

I feel like this is an over correction given how new it is. 30 would’ve been nice.

The art of compromise is no one leaves perfectly happy. A few in my sqd are in a bit of uproar, others not, and we don’t have a buffer for mistakes..

[Animl-AW]

As far as polling is concerned. I’d be careful because the tendency of players is to always take the path of least resistance. If you put up a poll that asked if 163s should have unlimited fuel, ammo, and six twenties with an ENY of 35, you’d destroy the game.

1) It's a lot more accurate than open to public poll. it's isolated input.

2) A poll doesn't have to be run on every issue, just ones HT needs feedback to.

3) A disclaimer can be put in that no poll automatically dictates an outcome.

4) On bbs we are not reaching out to the masses, just an opinionated few. Most my sqd only knows what I relay because many rarely visit bbs. It can get too toxic.

I think when an idea is put forward the masses should have say and it should stand up to that.

It doesn't have to be "poll of the week", it's a dev tool.

It's just a thought, not a demand.

[~ZoSo~]

The art of compromise is no one leaves perfectly happy. A few in my sqd are in a bit of uproar, others not, and we don’t have a buffer for mistakes..

I’m thinking the 20” delay should placate those incessantly whining about AWACS! Might as well not have had any radar at the 45” setting. One never has to fly into the hoard. Now if there could be a way to find the invisible ground vehicles.

[Shane]

I’m thinking the 20” delay should placate those incessantly whining about AWACS! Might as well not have had any radar at the 45” setting. One never has to fly into the hoard. Now if there could be a way to find the invisible ground vehicles.

There is a gv dar icon setting that has an adjustable update time - like planes, but for GVs...  it's enabled in TNT Tank Night Thursdays in AvA arena.  Makes for fun run and gun - fire and displace.

[LilMak]

I’m thinking the 20” delay should placate those incessantly whining about AWACS! Might as well not have had any radar at the 45” setting. One never has to fly into the hoard. Now if there could be a way to find the invisible ground vehicles.

It might placate me. I’ll give it a try. I was honestly surprised how well the 45 second thing worked even though it is still a poor substitute for AWII style radar. Instead of backing that off slowly or giving it time to set in, the reaction was to instantly cut it by more than half. No time to play today. Hopefully I’ll get to try the 20 second thing before the clipboard crack heads get it down to zero.

[~ZoSo~]

It might placate me. I’ll give it a try. I was honestly surprised how well the 45 second thing worked even though it is still a poor substitute for AWII style radar. Instead of backing that off slowly or giving it time to set in, the reaction was to instantly cut it by more than half. No time to play today. Hopefully I’ll get to try the 20 second thing before the clipboard crack heads get it down to zero.

Honestly LilMac, I do understand where you are coming from but IMHO, the 45” setting was too much and I think each planes radar should be restricted to nothing less than maybe 1.0 to 2.0 in distance. I’m all for lose sight lose the fight. GVs don’t need radar, a lot of us can’t see them so why should they see us. And those are my whines.   

[LilMak]

Honestly LilMac, I do understand where you are coming from but IMHO, the 45” setting was too much and I think each planes radar should be restricted to nothing less than maybe 1.0 to 2.0 in distance. I’m all for lose sight lose the fight. GVs don’t need radar, a lot of us can’t see them so why should they see us. And those are my whines.   

I’m with you on all of this. I felt that the 45 seconds was too long as well because it affects the radar towers refresh rate too. The timer/lag appears to be a global setting that is not differentiating between a tower and aircraft/GVs. GVs are a major sticking point for me. They shouldn’t have radar at all. The exception perhaps being a PT boat because it has a radar mast and can’t paint radar while invisible under trees.

Drawing in personal radar towers to 1-2k distance with a 15 second delay might be the sweet spot.

[hitech]

I’m with you on all of this. I felt that the 45 seconds was too long as well because it affects the radar towers refresh rate too. The timer/lag appears to be a global setting that is not differentiating between a tower and aircraft/GVs. GVs are a major sticking point for me. They shouldn’t have radar at all. The exception perhaps being a PT boat because it has a radar mast and can’t paint radar while invisible under trees.

Drawing in personal radar towers to 1-2k distance with a 15 second delay might be the sweet spot.

As I said LilMak it isn't supposed to be radar. You keep trying to compare it to radar in reality it is meant to represent all systems of observing aircraft and radio transmitions.

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