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Re: T-34 repetitive shooting AC down is near imporrible.
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2026, 10:34:19 AM »
Is part of the issue the way we can just joystick the gun to a precise aimpoint way easier than they could move the gun IRL?  How common were automated controls vs hand cranks and similar?  It seems to me like we might have way way more precise and easy aiming controls than IRL.

I've always thought from the commander's view the main gun muzzle shouldn't be exactly centered in the circle, it should be somewhere randomized within the circle.  That would prevent accurate gunnery from the commander's position.  People don't main gun planes as often from the gunner position do they?

And in game, it's really not that hard.  As little time as I've spent in GVs and 88s etc, I have hit a few planes with a direct hit.  Never went looking for it with HE even.

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Re: T-34 repetitive shooting AC down is near imporrible.
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2026, 11:13:06 AM »

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Add a 1 sec delay while firing a main gun of a tank from the unbuttoned commanders position.


Better solution would be to remove Commander Ability to Fire the gun. No tank produced during World War II had the ability for the commander to even fire the main gun.


The other Oddity about AH ground vehicles isThe commander's ability to have a super zoom Ability to spot targets At far ranges. In actuality they were lucky to have a pair of binoculars.

  In controlled ballistic environments, the T-34’s guns were technically precise. Proving ground data for the 76.2mm T-34 gun showed a 50% chance of hitting the target at 1,000 meters. 

In combat  a Soviet T-34 tank engaging an enemy vehicle at ranges longer than 1,000 meters had an incredibly low first-round hit probability, generally estimated to be well under 10% to 20% in combat conditions.

  Why??? theT-34s suffered from low-grade optical glass that was often described as dull or blurry, featuring a very narrow field of view. This made spotting targets and accurately estimating range past 500–800 meters immensely difficult for gunners.

T-34 was a legend in WW2, The USSR produced 54,550 T-34s during the war, the most produced tank of the war. But the tank also holds another record that few people ever talk about. Approximately 44,900 T-34s were lost to enemy action during the war 82% of total production.


But as people like to point out Aceshigh is a game not a Combat simulation...

Looks like we got the legend of the T-34, Not so much the reality.

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Re: T-34 repetitive shooting AC down is near imporrible.
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2026, 01:21:32 PM »
The very first round fired by a tank at an airplane about 1.5k tracking shot killed it.I was just board so figured what the hell I see if he sees my tracers. Was me testing against pyro flying.

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Re: T-34 repetitive shooting AC down is near imporrible.
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2026, 02:54:16 PM »

Better solution would be to remove Commander Ability to Fire the gun. No tank produced during World War II had the ability for the commander to even fire the main gun.


The other Oddity about AH ground vehicles isThe commander's ability to have a super zoom Ability to spot targets At far ranges. In actuality they were lucky to have a pair of binoculars.

  In controlled ballistic environments, the T-34’s guns were technically precise. Proving ground data for the 76.2mm T-34 gun showed a 50% chance of hitting the target at 1,000 meters. 

In combat  a Soviet T-34 tank engaging an enemy vehicle at ranges longer than 1,000 meters had an incredibly low first-round hit probability, generally estimated to be well under 10% to 20% in combat conditions.

  Why??? theT-34s suffered from low-grade optical glass that was often described as dull or blurry, featuring a very narrow field of view. This made spotting targets and accurately estimating range past 500–800 meters immensely difficult for gunners.

T-34 was a legend in WW2, The USSR produced 54,550 T-34s during the war, the most produced tank of the war. But the tank also holds another record that few people ever talk about. Approximately 44,900 T-34s were lost to enemy action during the war 82% of total production.


But as people like to point out Aceshigh is a game not a Combat simulation...

Looks like we got the legend of the T-34, Not so much the reality.

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Re: T-34 repetitive shooting AC down is near imporrible.
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2026, 03:18:40 PM »

Better solution would be to remove Commander Ability to Fire the gun. No tank produced during World War II had the ability for the commander to even fire the main gun.


No pilot in wwii history was ever killed more then once.

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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2026, 03:20:52 PM »
No pilot in wwii history was ever killed more then once.

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Re: T-34 repetitive shooting AC down is near imporrible.
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2026, 03:32:03 PM »
The very first round fired by a tank at an airplane about 1.5k tracking shot killed it.I was just board so figured what the hell I see if he sees my tracers. Was me testing against pyro flying.

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<cough> used the word “tracking” <cough>

Point being RL vs Game, the game side tends to be an immersion breaker followed by that unproductive 5 character “C” word, because in sim world it should.

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Re: T-34 repetitive shooting AC down is near imporrible.
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2026, 04:02:05 PM »

Better solution would be to remove Commander Ability to Fire the gun. No tank produced during World War II had the ability for the commander to even fire the main gun.


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I think pretty much all of them did. The commander said "FIRE!" and the gunner fired right?

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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2026, 04:23:38 PM »
I think pretty much all of them did. The commander said "FIRE!" and the gunner fired right?

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Re: T-34 repetitive shooting AC down is near imporrible.
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2026, 05:28:38 PM »
No pilot in wwii history was ever killed more then once.

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How many were killed by a tanks main gun..

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Re: T-34 repetitive shooting AC down is near imporrible.
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2026, 06:24:14 PM »
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I think pretty much all of them did. The commander said "FIRE!" and the gunner fired right?

Only after the Gunner identified the target.

No World War II tank gave the commander a direct, independent control stick or yoke to physically move and lay (aim) the main gun.  In standard WWII tank doctrine, the commander laid out rough directions, targets, and range estimates verbally or via intercom/hand signals to the gunner.

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How many were killed by a tanks main gun..

2... maybe?

The evidence is from personal memoirs, not formal battlefield confirmation,  formal wartime verification remains elusive.

German Panzer Ace Otto Carius in his book "Tigers in the Mud".

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Soviet Red Army Captain Dmitriy Loza in his historical memoir "Commanding the Red Army's Sherman tanks".

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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2026, 06:26:25 PM »
So if some of them weren’t there or were killed in action and it was just the one guy, did he not know what to do? I’m pretty sure he could’ve fired the stupid gun.

This has become a really silly argument now.
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Re: T-34 repetitive shooting AC down is near imporrible.
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2026, 07:22:01 PM »

On a somewhat unrelated topic but kind of related.........

Why don't we have multiplayer tank Crews in AcesHigh? Similar to the way our competition does in other Games/Sims?

Or is that a bridge too far?

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Re: T-34 repetitive shooting AC down is near imporrible.
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2026, 11:29:11 PM »
Its called practice. Some of these guys in these t34's fire more rounds than whole brigades ever did.
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Re: T-34 repetitive shooting AC down is near imporrible.
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2026, 12:03:00 AM »
Most of the really good GVers can do this. Ive been the victim of it many times. In the air and HE into the ground in front of me if im on the deck. So much so, that when im around tanks, im always zooming in to see where their gun is pointed. Very gamey, but well within the possibility of some of the better guys in here to do with how the current game is setup. I dont think its anything nefarious.