ENY again

[Dadtallica]

I’m not quite understanding how ENY affects a country outnumbered?

If ENY is affecting your plane choice then are you not on one of the sides that’s the problem?

Tonight in primetime it was quiet on the rook side but the other two were getting it on heavy. I don’t know what the exact roster account was, but when I got there it was riddled with jets. I counted at least four 262’s and I’m pretty sure there were probably actually six. I was helping the Bish defend their base from the Knights.

It was pretty cool actually as much as I can’t stand jets but I’m sure the bishops weren’t excited about it. The bishops were actually holding their own pretty well at the time. I had to remind a couple. I was there to help, but it didn’t matter. I never made it home.

[diaster]

Whatcha got against  jagoffs?

I would try to understand how you feel but since I rarely flew planes that were affected by eny, I'd be lyin if I said I did understand.

I save yet to see you in game, but I play noon to 3ish west coast. That said I agree with much of what you said. I was in high ent, half the team sleeping in tower. Trying to up off a golf with3 tempest and a duece and they b nz so hard it was ridiculous. All to rack up three “kills”
The answer to this is so simple. I wonder why it isn’t enabled, ‘take time out server kick” you in tower but not labeled afk 10 minutes, you are kicked. You sit in a jeep flashing a field with no movement, 10 minutes kicked from server. Eny goes away.
While we are at it, more than a minute off map you die.
And what the heck bomb and bail with zero damage, no points and target regenerates.

[-gg-]

I’m not quite understanding how ENY affects a country outnumbered?

If ENY is affecting your plane choice then are you not on one of the sides that’s the problem?

Tonight in primetime it was quiet on the rook side but the other two were getting it on heavy. I don’t know what the exact roster account was, but when I got there it was riddled with jets. I counted at least four 262’s and I’m pretty sure there were probably actually six. I was helping the Bish defend their base from the Knights.

It was pretty cool actually as much as I can’t stand jets but I’m sure the bishops weren’t excited about it. The bishops were actually holding their own pretty well at the time. I had to remind a couple. I was there to help, but it didn’t matter. I never made it home.

You're not understanding.

First of all, I reject the idea that just because I log into the game to play that I am some sort of a problem. I'm not part of a team I'm an individual trying to play a game and enjoy it and I'm getting stymied by the game itself.

But the major issue is that when I play it's usually very low numbers. There's a huge empty map and even though technically I am on a side that is outnumbering one side, the numbers are so low that it doesn't even matter. Two or three plane difference? Over the whole huge map? There are no gangbangs going on.

The night that I was talking about, and it it happens very very frequently, I was the one being outnumbered. I was fighting two and three players on an isolated fight between two bases where we were just fighting.

I reall I think eny why is damaging to the game experience.... Far more than being outnumbered by one or two planes over a huge map that's mostly empty.

Most of the time when I'm on NY is in effect against me. And I say me because I'm not part of a team. I don't fly in a hoard. I reject the idea that I'm part of a problem. That's insulting.

I just want to log on for a couple of hours and have fun. When my plane choices get reduced to every single plane that I've got in my favorite list..... I have to start searching for a piece of crap that I don't even like to fly the game is not enjoyable to me. And the game is penalizing me so that somebody else doesn't feel like they are outnumbered on a huge map with nothing going on?

Turn the stupid thing off at least when the numbers are low like that. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

[-gg-]

Also, it's not my fault that I log in and I happen to be on the team that has a couple more players than the other team. What am I supposed to do about that?

Part of the problem. Jesus. A customer that logs into play a game is part of the problem?

[hazmatt]

Also, it's not my fault that I log in and I happen to be on the team that has a couple more players than the other team. What am I supposed to do about that?

Part of the problem. Jesus. A customer that logs into play a game is part of the problem?

Well at least they haven't gone to the silliness that WW2 online tried where there was a LOG IN timer. Whenever I saw that I just went and played with something else.

[-gg-]

I just want things to be simple. It's just not anybody's fault that the numbers are so low.

I don't get frustrated with anything that happens in the game due to other players. I don't mind being outnumbered at all. I don't want any crutches myself. I don't want any advantages.

But it's super frustrating to have the game itself limiting your enjoyment of the game simply because you're considered part of a problem by just logging on.

It might be different if there was some recourse that was reasonable that I could do to not be such a major problem for everybody else. But I don't have that. It's not realistic even if I wanted to switch sides to be doing that because the numbers are so low that it would swing the numbers the other way and then it would still happen.

Like I keep saying. The eny system does work but not in the way that is beneficial to the game. Because mostly it makes people like me sit in the tower and wait it out or just log off pissed off. Then when I logged off I guess I wasn't part of the problem anymore.

[LilMak]

I think you just need to expand your horizons a bit and it’ll get more fun for you.

Last night I played for about 2 hours on the quiet front (Knights were focused on bombing HQ hording on the other side of the map).

Three sorties in a SBD with 2 kills (guns not bombs).
One sortie win a D-40 with 4 kills.
One sortie in a KI-43 with 5 kills.
One sortie in a D-11 with 4 kills.

There was no ENY. Had a great time. Just me and some other pilots (ZE and scott66 primarily) enjoying the fight.

It takes some time to get a fight brewing but I can usually do it.

[Dadtallica]

You're not understanding.

First of all, I reject the idea that just because I log into the game to play that I am some sort of a problem. I'm not part of a team I'm an individual trying to play a game and enjoy it and I'm getting stymied by the game itself.

But the major issue is that when I play it's usually very low numbers. There's a huge empty map and even though technically I am on a side that is outnumbering one side, the numbers are so low that it doesn't even matter. Two or three plane difference? Over the whole huge map? There are no gangbangs going on.

The night that I was talking about, and it it happens very very frequently, I was the one being outnumbered. I was fighting two and three players on an isolated fight between two bases where we were just fighting.

I reall I think eny why is damaging to the game experience.... Far more than being outnumbered by one or two planes over a huge map that's mostly empty.

Most of the time when I'm on NY is in effect against me. And I say me because I'm not part of a team. I don't fly in a hoard. I reject the idea that I'm part of a problem. That's insulting.

I just want to log on for a couple of hours and have fun. When my plane choices get reduced to every single plane that I've got in my favorite list..... I have to start searching for a piece of crap that I don't even like to fly the game is not enjoyable to me. And the game is penalizing me so that somebody else doesn't feel like they are outnumbered on a huge map with nothing going on?

Turn the stupid thing off at least when the numbers are low like that. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

You was a collective not necessarily personal to you.

But… You were very clear with me that it was no big deal to force people to switch sides even though I told you most people probably won’t want to do that.

So then I was puzzled why you didn’t just switch sides and then you could’ve flown whatever plane you wanted. There’s a 100+ things to fly and drive in this game. Try new things it’s fun once and a while. If your personal choice is to limit yourself to a small number of rides, then this will always be a problem for you. As I and others have stated it just doesn’t have to be.

A G14 is my fave ENY buster they are nimble and can out climb most things and they can pack a punch. Mossies are deadly too and can make a lot of noise air and ground i’ve been trying to fly that one a little more for quick Jabo runs. Like Mak said the 47s have some good ones too. Lately I’ve been getting beaten by F4U1-A’s I’m going to start trying those more.

[AKIron]

You was a collective not necessarily personal to you.

That would be y'all.

[hitech]

The game is not limiting you. ENY limits plane choice, not whether you can fly. You are choosing to fly for the side you want rather than the plane you want, and that is a fair choice to make. There are always lower ENY planes available to you on your side.

ENY: when does it start limiting planes?

The lowest ENY for fighters in the Main Arena is 5 (P-51D, Spitfire XIV, La-7, Tempest and others). The table below shows how far ahead the largest side has to be before its ENY limit goes above 5, which is when those planes become unavailable to it.

How ENY works: each side's share of the active (non-AFK) players is compared to the smallest side's share. A side can be up to 10% bigger than the smallest side with no limit at all. Past that, the limit grows with the difference. The limit is also scaled by how many players are in the arena, so with low numbers it is much weaker.

Now: the scaling starts at 0 players and reaches full strength at 70 players.
What I am considering: the scaling starts at 10 players and reaches full strength at 70 players. Below 10 players there would be no ENY at all, and between 10 and about 30 players it would take a bigger imbalance to get a limit. From about 40 players up nothing changes.

"Imbalance" is how many more players the largest side has than the smallest side. The example is one split of the three sides where that happens.

Players in arena	Now: imbalance needed	Now: example	Considering: imbalance needed	Considering: example
6	3	4/1/1	no ENY	-
8	3	4/3/1	no ENY	-
10	4	5/4/1	no ENY	-
12	4	6/4/2	not possible	-
15	4	7/5/3	8	9/5/1
20	5	9/7/4	6	9/8/3
25	5	10/10/5	6	11/9/5
30	6	12/12/6	6	12/12/6
35	6	14/13/8	7	14/14/7
40	7	16/15/9	7	16/15/9
50	8	20/18/12	8	20/18/12
70	10	27/26/17	10	27/26/17

"not possible" means that with that few players the limit I am considering could never get above 5, however the sides are split.

HiTech

[popeye]

One thing about ENY for side balancing is that it doesn't compensate for double-teaming.  So, 17 / 11 / 7 could be (and often is) effectively 28 v 7.  ENY will limit the 17 player side somewhat, but doesn't really balance the "sides".

Ultimately, it's up to the players to make the balance.

[Eagler]

All for forced side balancing..

Let the whines begin..

Eagler

[-gg-]

The game is not limiting you. ENY limits plane choice, not whether you can fly. You are choosing to fly for the side you want rather than the plane you want, and that is a fair choice to make. There are always lower ENY planes available to you on your side.

ENY: when does it start limiting planes?

The lowest ENY for fighters in the Main Arena is 5 (P-51D, Spitfire XIV, La-7, Tempest and others). The table below shows how far ahead the largest side has to be before its ENY limit goes above 5, which is when those planes become unavailable to it.

How ENY works: each side's share of the active (non-AFK) players is compared to the smallest side's share. A side can be up to 10% bigger than the smallest side with no limit at all. Past that, the limit grows with the difference. The limit is also scaled by how many players are in the arena, so with low numbers it is much weaker.

Now: the scaling starts at 0 players and reaches full strength at 70 players.
What I am considering: the scaling starts at 10 players and reaches full strength at 70 players. Below 10 players there would be no ENY at all, and between 10 and about 30 players it would take a bigger imbalance to get a limit. From about 40 players up nothing changes.

"Imbalance" is how many more players the largest side has than the smallest side. The example is one split of the three sides where that happens.

Players in arena	Now: imbalance needed	Now: example	Considering: imbalance needed	Considering: example
6	3	4/1/1	no ENY	-
8	3	4/3/1	no ENY	-
10	4	5/4/1	no ENY	-
12	4	6/4/2	not possible	-
15	4	7/5/3	8	9/5/1
20	5	9/7/4	6	9/8/3
25	5	10/10/5	6	11/9/5
30	6	12/12/6	6	12/12/6
35	6	14/13/8	7	14/14/7
40	7	16/15/9	7	16/15/9
50	8	20/18/12	8	20/18/12
70	10	27/26/17	10	27/26/17

"not possible" means that with that few players the limit I am considering could never get above 5, however the sides are split.

HiTech

First of all, changing sides is not an easy option or a fix. I'm talking about when numbers are LOW. Like 6, 6, and 2 players actually flying - whatever it was and the ENY was over 20.

And those two players are not fighting 12 against 2.

There's a BIG empty map and I'm getting ganged 3 against 1 in the only fight I can find. I'm supposed to change sides?

It makes NO sense when the numbers are low.

And it is the game limiting me. It's a pain in the arse and the main reason I log off or sit in the tower. Others on my squad say the same thing

You might want to consider how ENY actually affects the players. I suspect most people are not going to change sides. They log off and then ENY  balanced the numbers for you.

[Banshee7]

I just want things to be simple.

So....what's your simple solution?

[-gg-]

So....what's your simple solution?

really? I've mentioned it dozens of times - and at least once in this thread.

REMOVE ENY when numbers are low. Get rid of it. Have it kick in only when there are significant numbers.


I mean, 3 people cried about Radar and got that addressed. ENY is a much bigger issue for the game and complaints about it have gone on forever.