ENY again

[Dinan]

The game is very strange now.  Used to log on a Friday night and it was the best.  Now it’s just horde base take stuff.  I see old heads on here complain about no fights but they’re all in the horde and acting like they get paid to take bases and not get shot down in a cartoon plane.  Eny is lame but the bigger issue is what this game has turned into.  Gotta log on at the right time I guess

[-gg-]

This is how the change would work out, using the last 60 days of the main arena. The chart shows how often the largest side could not fly ENY 5 planes, now and with the change I am considering (ENY starts ramping up at 10 players instead of 0, full strength at 70 players as now).

https://dload.hitechcreations.com/dales/side-balance.html

Now: 49% of the time. With the change: 35% of the time.

HiTech

Thanks for looking into this and for your consideration!

Are you able to run stats on how various levels of ENY affect overall numbers? One of my contentions has been  that I feel ENY does eventually even the sides, but I have a feeling that it does so by reducing the numbers of players and not by players switching sides to even the numbers.

I'd love to see how the stats work out on numbers before and after ENY ( at various levels of ENY) affect the people in flight or logged in.

The rest of this post is not directed directly at you, Dale

_____________________________ _____________________________ _____________________________ _____

I just have always felt that the large majority of players will not switch sides when heave ENY kicks in. I think they deal with it for a bit, sit in the tower for a bit to wait or log off.
So that's part of my point - and I could be wrong - but I feel that ENY does not really work as intended.

When I mentioned DAR being addressed, I meant this: I've never once ever heard anyone in the game mention anything about DAR being a problem. I see like three people on the forum crying about it and then it gets addressed - when I don't think anyone ever had a problem with it. Then a change gets introduced based on what 3 guys are saying here, and tons  of people in game don't know what's going on with the glitchy DAR.

On the other hand, I will bet that every single night I hear people complain about ENY on vox. There are countess complaints about ENY going back years, to the point that people attack anyone for bringing it up again.

I'm glad Dale is looking at ENY. Using stats and not just 3 guys crying about something.

[Eagler]

ENY has never been an issue for me...

Being on a side that doesn't have a fight and is happy taking empty bases is..

Eagler

[The Fugitive]

Thanks for looking into this and for your consideration!

Are you able to run stats on how various levels of ENY affect overall numbers? One of my contentions has been  that I feel ENY does eventually even the sides, but I have a feeling that it does so by reducing the numbers of players and not by players switching sides to even the numbers.

I'd love to see how the stats work out on numbers before and after ENY ( at various levels of ENY) affect the people in flight or logged in.

The rest of this post is not directed directly at you, Dale

_____________________________ _____________________________ _____________________________ _____

I just have always felt that the large majority of players will not switch sides when heave ENY kicks in. I think they deal with it for a bit, sit in the tower for a bit to wait or log off.
So that's part of my point - and I could be wrong - but I feel that ENY does not really work as intended.

When I mentioned DAR being addressed, I meant this: I've never once ever heard anyone in the game mention anything about DAR being a problem. I see like three people on the forum crying about it and then it gets addressed - when I don't think anyone ever had a problem with it. Then a change gets introduced based on what 3 guys are saying here, and tons  of people in game don't know what's going on with the glitchy DAR.

On the other hand, I will bet that every single night I hear people complain about ENY on vox. There are countess complaints about ENY going back years, to the point that people attack anyone for bringing it up again.

I'm glad Dale is looking at ENY. Using stats and not just 3 guys crying about something.

Your perception of what ENY does is what is wrong.

ENY is used to balance game play by removing the better equipment from the team that has the ADVANTAGE in numbers.

ENY is NOT setup to make players switch to other teams to balance the numbers. Switching is an option to players who wish to use the the better equipment that has been removed due to the numbers imbalance.

If one team has 10 extra players and there is no ENY, those players can jump in a number of B24 with ponies and D9 as roll base after base with ease. The other team doesnt have the numbers to top them.

WITH ENY, those 10 players are stuck trying to do the same thing with Bostons and P40s something that is much easier to fight against Making the fight a bit more balanced.

[Max]

Your perception of what ENY does is what is wrong.

ENY is used to balance game play by removing the better equipment from the team that has the ADVANTAGE in numbers.

ENY is NOT setup to make players switch to other teams to balance the numbers. Switching is an option to players who wish to use the the better equipment that has been removed due to the numbers imbalance.

If one team has 10 extra players and there is no ENY, those players can jump in a number of B24 with ponies and D9 as roll base after base with ease. The other team doesnt have the numbers to top them.

WITH ENY, those 10 players are stuck trying to do the same thing with Bostons and P40s something that is much easier to fight against Making the fight a bit more balanced.

Best explanation I've ever read.

[-gg-]

Your perception of what ENY does is what is wrong.

ENY is used to balance game play by removing the better equipment from the team that has the ADVANTAGE in numbers.

ENY is NOT setup to make players switch to other teams to balance the numbers. Switching is an option to players who wish to use the the better equipment that has been removed due to the numbers imbalance.

If one team has 10 extra players and there is no ENY, those players can jump in a number of B24 with ponies and D9 as roll base after base with ease. The other team doesnt have the numbers to top them.

WITH ENY, those 10 players are stuck trying to do the same thing with Bostons and P40s something that is much easier to fight against Making the fight a bit more balanced.

I think your perception is wrong. Dale just came into this thread and told me that I'm choosing to fly a worse plane rather than switch sides to play a better plane. The intention is for the numbers to get balanced.

[-gg-]

Can we go back to the main argument that I'm making. Is that the game is punishing you. It's punishing people simply for being on a team that happens to have a few more numbers than the other side.

[hitech]

Can we go back to the main argument that I'm making. Is that the game is punishing you. It's punishing people simply for being on a team that happens to have a few more numbers than the other side.

No.

HiTech

[-gg-]

Lol.

Hey Dale can you clear it up then. ENY is intended to entice people to change sides to balance the numbers, right?

Just like you have automatic side switchers.

What I think happens is most people will not switch sides. If they have to deal with  ENY that gets bad they'll start to sit in the tower and then they'll log off. So there you go your numbers are balanced.

[caldera]

No.

HiTech

BOOM.   

[-gg-]

The intent I believe is to balance the numbers. If somebody doesn't like what's happening due to eny, they're only recourse is to either deal with it, change sides, sit in the tower or log off.

Out of all those options I believe people at first deal with it. If it gets severe like past into the twenties, people will get frustrated. Or at least I do. I'll sit in the tower and then I'll log off. And I hear lots of people saying the same thing. Or saying good night on squad channel. ENY too high. Good night guys. But they say it in more colorful language.

And I know the intent isn't to punish people. That's not the intent but for me as a individual player, that's the result of it. I log in nearly every single night and I'm dealing with e n y for the whole time I'm on pretty much. So in my mind, my gameplay is being stymied by the system. And my only recourse is to change sides.

Changing sides is just as much of a negative effect on my gameplay than dealing with the eny. My friends and squad are on my countryside. I'm not loyal to a chess piece. That's not even the point. I couldn't give a damn what chess piece it is. But you're flying with three or four guys that are on your squadron. Or maybe even eight or 10 on squad night, and just those low numbers are enough to throw the eny off.

I'm glad Dale is looking at that and toning it down on the low numbers. Because that's really distorting the game. And it makes the system not work. Like even if somebody wanted to change sides it would flip the eny on the other side super easily by just a couple people changing sides.

So even though the intent is not to punish me, that's the result of it. I feel like I'm being punished or my gameplay is being inhibited. My enjoyment of the game is being inhibited because of a mechanism in the game that is designed to give the other guys a leg up in a fight. I believe that the intention is to balance the numbers.

[hitech]

The intent I believe is to balance the numbers. If somebody doesn't like what's happening due to eny, they're only recourse is to either deal with it, change sides, sit in the tower or log off.

Out of all those options I believe people at first deal with it. If it gets severe like past into the twenties, people will get frustrated. Or at least I do. I'll sit in the tower and then I'll log off. And I hear lots of people saying the same thing. Or saying good night on squad channel. ENY too high. Good night guys. But they say it in more colorful language.

And I know the intent isn't to punish people. That's not the intent but for me as a individual player, that's the result of it. I log in nearly every single night and I'm dealing with e n y for the whole time I'm on pretty much. So in my mind, my gameplay is being stymied by the system. And my only recourse is to change sides.

Changing sides is just as much of a negative effect on my gameplay than dealing with the eny. My friends and squad are on my countryside. I'm not loyal to a chess piece. That's not even the point. I couldn't give a damn what chess piece it is. But you're flying with three or four guys that are on your squadron. Or maybe even eight or 10 on squad night, and just those low numbers are enough to throw the eny off.

I'm glad Dale is looking at that and toning it down on the low numbers. Because that's really distorting the game. And it makes the system not work. Like even if somebody wanted to change sides it would flip the eny on the other side super easily by just a couple people changing sides.

So even though the intent is not to punish me, that's the result of it. I feel like I'm being punished or my gameplay is being inhibited. My enjoyment of the game is being inhibited because of a mechanism in the game that is designed to give the other guys a leg up in a fight. I believe that the intention is to balance the numbers.

,
just to make sure I 100% understand your point, you don't  like ENY. Did i understand you correctly?

HiTech

[Banshee7]

No.

HiTech

 

[Dadtallica]

,
just to make sure I 100% understand your point, you don't  like ENY. Did i understand you correctly?

HiTech

But hear me out…

[CAV]

 

Oddly enough Of the many things I like to poke sticks at sometimes...

ENY has never been one of them. It has always appeared to Function correctly and have the desired results. That being to hinder the side with the larger Force.