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Offline BigJim

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« Reply #60 on: March 25, 2000, 07:51:00 PM »
Well Sparks and Cord unfortunately I find myself defending the "wrong" thing for the "right" reason, it is not that I think cussing is a good thing or should be displayed to kids, it is that I like many others here fear that if I give up too many things in the name of "decency" I will wake up one day and find that I no longer have any right to speak on anything cause it was "given away" under some "rightous banner" to others who will now decide for me, and spark I doubt very much if you are any older than me  

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« Reply #61 on: March 25, 2000, 07:55:00 PM »
Wow.  It says that Towd is from Texas so I assume he can speak the English language.  I can barely make out what he is trying to say in his rambling, misspelled, illegible rant.  I hate to be the English teacher here but let me break it down just so I know what's going on:

"i sincerly hope that you wives give you your balls back at some point."

-Ok, this is at least a complete thought.  I assume he means "your wife". Or does he imply that cord is a polygamist, "you(r) wives".  Or is he speaking to "us wives".  I'm not sure.  Let's just skip it.

“or maby we can have a no cussin war simulation yall are out to emaciate the whole world.”

-Mmmm.  I think I see two sentences here, "Or maybe we can have a no cussing war simulation.  Y'all are out to emaciate the whole world."  If that is correct than the first sentence makes some sense.  The second sentence makes no sense, unfortunately.   "Emaciate" is to make feeble or to cause a loss of flesh.  Is he accusing "Y'all" (I assume to mean those of us who agree with cord) of trying to enfeeble the world by removing cuss words?  Will removing cuss words from various forums make the world thin and weak?  That's a strange statement if that is, in fact, what he is saying here.  I'm really just guessing, though.

" people have the right to say whatever they want, WHATEVER THEY WANT not till the make your delicate senseabilitys and implyin beccause a server is in usa all speach must be controlled to what you consider apropriate cause the moral majority or some equaly out of touch bunch of sanctimonious wife puppets."
-Ooh, this one's going to take a while.  I totally understand "(P)eople have the right to say whatever they want."  (It was even clear to me BEFORE the repetition in capital letters)  Unfortunately, the rest of the paragraph seems more a random selection of English words than the expression of thought.  I'm guessing here, but I think the bunch of words grouped around "delicate sensibilities" implys that people should not tailor their language to cater to those with delicate sensibilities.  You could simplify the thought to, "People should not be courteous."
I'm not sure what the server being in the USA has to do with anything.  It might have been a multi-word typo.
I think that the rest of the "paragraph" states that people who take offense to foul language are the moral majority and are in danger of robbing us of free speech.  Apparently, being married augments this sensitivity to vulgarisms.  Married females seem to be the ones that infect or control their husbands with such sensitivity.  Ladies take offense to something and then control their husbands into posting protests on message boards.  Although maybe this person refers to people who aren't actually married but pretend that they are and humanize their mania by playing with hand puppets.  After many years of confusion they begin to think the puppet, in fact, controls them.

" dont want their 12 year old girl to know men cuss givit a break you cant take it go to hell."
-The first part of this grouping of words actually makes some sense.  Although the sentence is missing a subject, I think Towd means, "(They) don't want their 12 year old girl to know men cuss(.)"  I think Towd misunderstands that the offense was not at the fact that men cuss but that men were, in fact, cussing at that very moment.  Although, I wish my son to be aware that there are immature jerks out in the world, I don't want him to think that that behavior is acceptable for him.  Therefore, it might not be advisable for me to surround myself with immature jerks when I'm around my son.  I think that's why cord is quitting.  But, again, I'm merely guessing at Towd's meaning here.
The next thought is, I think, "(Give it) a break(.)" as in, "Stop prattling on." which really doesn't relate to cord's original post so, again, probably a multi-word typo.
The next expression is, I think, "(If) you can(')t take it go to hell."  Now this is almost correctly spelled if not punctuated which implies that Towd is more comfortable with these types of sentences.  It's fairly self explanatory.  It doesn't aid in the meaning of his post although it may shed a little light on the quality of Towd's character.

"a personal opinion supported by the constitution of the united states at least till yall get a hold of it."
-The final word group in this bizarre post suggests that Towd's opinion is supported by the Constitution of the United States.  I suppose in as much as you are allowed to pretty much say anything that doesn't physically endanger people it is supported.  The Constitution doesn't specifically say you can't be an idiot.

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« Reply #62 on: March 25, 2000, 08:01:00 PM »
Oops missed you K-Ken, thanks for your views you have every right to express them (of course if you support censorship long enough maybe you won't).  As far as using good judgement goes I will stack my behavior up with anyone I have seen on-line so far, so trying to paint me with a tarred brush won't work (it is however an age old tactic used by many to get what they want without logic). Thanks for the song  


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« Reply #63 on: March 25, 2000, 08:15:00 PM »
 Kieren already gave me a theme song. "Now your messing with a son of a........" As far as my parents are concerned. Im 52 years old. They have there own problems to worry about. BTW my dad cuss,s like a salior.

 NOt that i ment to offend any saliors. We all know that no one cusses in the modern navy. and  there might be female saliors around and that would be sexual harressment. Not to say they cussed in the old navy , I wouldnt want to offend them. They probably spoke as if there mothers were around. Not to say they might have been around. Im sure they all worked outside the home. I mean of course if they wanted to. There is nothing wrong with working in the home. of course... I mean.....ah screw it . you cant breath whithout offending someone.

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« Reply #64 on: March 25, 2000, 08:28:00 PM »
You are very welcome BigJim.  The point is, that we aren't giving up rights, we are asking you to exercise good judgement.  I say you can own a firearm.  But I also say you can't spray the local McDonalds, Post Office or Church....with lead, just because it is your right to own a firearm!  You need to get a grip, my friend.  And certainly, make sure you can be accountable for your actions,  as well.  Maybe one day, someone may take offense to your language, and blow your brains out for the $3 ya have in your pocket.
Someone needs to say....be reasonable, but be professional too.  (I cuss in my living room when I get killed-but I am here alone) I dont have to type it! (that was prolly why I got killed in the first place!   )
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Originally posted by BigJim:
Oops missed you K-Ken, thanks for your views you have every right to express them (of course if you support censorship long enough maybe you won't).  As far as using good judgement goes I will stack my behavior up with anyone I have seen on-line so far, so trying to paint me with a tarred brush won't work (it is however an age old tactic used by many to get what they want without logic). Thanks for the song    


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« Reply #65 on: March 25, 2000, 08:50:00 PM »
Well, I am 51, very soon to be 52..May to be exact.  If you want to support the language issue, then I too support constraint.  Not that I am a saint, and not that I haven't posted my fair share of flames in NewsGroups the last 3 years, but it smacks of why do we expose others to things that are now questionable, that werent 20 years ago.  Consider the tobacco industry...I smoked for 25 years, I quit 4 years ago.  They are paying the price, and now they can't advertize....did we infringe on their freedom of speech?  (advertizing)  Maybe..but it was harmful and/or offensive to others that we smoked in public places....I smoked in public places, and was offended that I had to leave, or quit!  It IS my right to smoke!  I am of age, it isn't an illegal drug....what's the point! ???
I remember those things in my life, and the majority can and will rule.  So, if ya can, please light em up- outdoors! Otherwise, leave.
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Kieren already gave me a theme song. "Now your messing with a son of a........" As far as my parents are concerned. Im 52 years old. They have there own problems to worry about. BTW my dad cuss,s like a salior.

 NOt that i ment to offend any saliors. We all know that no one cusses in the modern navy. and  there might be female saliors around and that would be sexual harressment. Not to say they cussed in the old navy , I wouldnt want to offend them. They probably spoke as if there mothers were around. Not to say they might have been around. Im sure they all worked outside the home. I mean of course if they wanted to. There is nothing wrong with working in the home. of course... I mean.....ah screw it . you cant breath whithout offending someone.


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« Reply #66 on: March 25, 2000, 09:31:00 PM »
Article [I.] of THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, commonly refered to as THE BILL OF RIGHTS.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or[/b] abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;[/b] or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


You cannot say anything you want, anytime you want if someone like Cord or anyone else finds it objectionable. If you constantly cursed and were disruptive in public, you could probably be taken to court by a citizen to get you to shut your yap and lighten the load in your wallet.

As mentioned, this is a private "club", HTC is the court system and Hitech is the judge. If any fines are to be levied it's up to him.

You cannot hide behind the Constitution.



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« Reply #67 on: March 25, 2000, 10:12:00 PM »
 
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I love a bit of dramatic over-generalisation of history to back up an arguement.

 
He he ..guilty as charged.glad you liked it..




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« Reply #68 on: March 26, 2000, 06:39:00 AM »
My last half penny worth here (hurah shout all)..
You're right BigJim, I'm younger than you - 38.  
I also admire you're defense of people being able to speak their opinion - I just have to disagree that it extends to the language of the opinion. I think failure to control the language will be the reason we lose the right.
So I'll nail my colours with K-Ken and the others.

To Cord ... I wish you'd reconsider

To HTC - it's your call on this now IMO

Now, being "joystick challenged" as this politically correct world would have us say, I'm off to test the patience of another poor unsuspecting trainer.

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« Reply #69 on: March 26, 2000, 11:09:00 AM »
 
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[BYou are very welcome BigJim.  The point is, that we aren't giving up rights, we are asking you to exercise good judgement.  I say you can own a firearm.  But I also say you can't spray the local McDonalds, Post Office or Church....with lead, just because it is your right to own a firearm!  You need to get a grip, my friend.  And certainly, make sure you can be accountable for your actions,  as well.  Maybe one day, someone may take offense to your language, and blow your brains out for the $3 ya have in your pocket.
Someone needs to say....be reasonable, but be professional too.  (I cuss in my living room when I get killed-but I am here alone) I dont have to type it! (that was prolly why I got killed in the first place!   (Image removed from quote.) )
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Well Ken first off I am 57 so I have been around this planet alittle longer than you, secondly I DO own guns and I have NO problem being accountable either face to face or over the internet.  I don't take kindly to threats (that is how I read your post if I am wrong sorry about that) so I think it is you that need to get a grip.  I spent my time in the service (during Viet Nam) to insure that all the folks on here (at least the Americans) have the right to flame away at me for my opinions and likewise I have the same right.  Sparks asked a valid question above "what makes my rights any greater than his" and as Shakespear said "ah theres the rub" in fact my rights ARE NOT greator NOR lessor therefore some type of compremise is needed if we are both to have some semilance of what we want, he must accept me when I slip and I must make a conscienious effort not to slip.  As for business rights etc...... you folks are right HTC DOES control the board and the game but without all of us they will control nothing for long and I NEVER intend to give up ANY right I have without a fight, since we seem to have less and less rights as time goes on, as for smoking I never argue with a reformed sinner they are the most pious and unshakable of the lot    Sorry if you folks think I am wrong to defend what I feel is a "freedom" issue but that is my right here in America (American cousin to you Brits   )


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« Reply #70 on: March 26, 2000, 12:01:00 PM »
  Rock. Ive been hideing behind the bill of rights my whole life. I like it there just fine thank you. It is the loss of this very protecetion that I am concerened about.

 Ive read the first ammendment many times. I could find nothing in there that said I cant say anything I want. In reality, the supreme court has ruled repeatedly that you can not, in effect, yell fire in a crowded building. Beyond that we are on or own. Cussing is at worst bad manners. Hardly a clear and present danger.

 On a more practical level. If every american that has ever cussed in public were exiled from the country. There would be a lot of empty spaace around here. Much the same would be true of AH.

 

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« Reply #71 on: March 26, 2000, 12:28:00 PM »
Scene: Kieren wading yet again through the congested mall traffic. Yes, being the puppet of his wife-master, he is forced unwillingly into servitude as packmule. Worse, he must also consume a most disgusting concoction (generously labeled "lunch") from a food stand whose name he cannot pronounce. An hour later, while buried in packages on the elevator bound to ever higher levels of shopping bliss, Kieren feels a rumbling in the lower regions of his abdomen. The pain is intense, and the need is immediate.

He farts loudly, with a sharp crackling stuccato.

As all faces turn to him, the noxious cloud rises, filling all nostrils with a sulphuric stench. Immediate moans of agony fill the crammed elevator, with old women pounding on the "door open" button, ready to jump the second the passageway opens.

When the intermnible trip ends, all passengers flee, shouting epitaphs and shaking fists. His crimson faced wife-master's temples pound, and Kieren knows that he faces hell on earth when they get home.

Cut.

Now, in our above scenario our hero broke no laws. He did however violate social taboos, and garnered the distaste and disrespect his actions deserved.

After all, what self-respecting man carries the packages?  

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« Reply #72 on: March 26, 2000, 12:59:00 PM »
Do any of you really think Hitech minds what words anyone uses in the game???

He named his squadron "FUBAR". Everyone know what that means?

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« Reply #73 on: March 26, 2000, 01:04:00 PM »
This is a matter of policy for an internet gaming company based in Texas, not the United States Constitution.

Ya gotta love it when people try to hide behind their "Rights" to cuss and raise hell! LOL!


I live out in the country. I have a neighbor who lives across the road from me who runs an open wheeled modified car down at Talladega on weekends. I go over occasionally and share a brew with him and talk about his luck at the track. The conversation gets pretty colorful as you might guess.

Well yesterday, the 'check oil' light came on in my pickup as I was leaving the house, so I shut it down and walked over there with my 3 year old son to see if I could bum a quart of oil. He starts in on his racing stories with the usual "f*ck this", "GD that" kinda stuff with my boy standing right there, which really pissed me off, not because I don't think my son will ever hear that, or I'm trying to "put him in a closet"

The reason was his lack of RESPECT.


Some of you guys who say WE need to get out in the real world, I've got news for YOU my friends, it is YOU who are living in a fantasy land.

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« Reply #74 on: March 26, 2000, 02:27:00 PM »
 Kieren. You might be a bit quick to assume you broke no laws. That cloud might have drifted out to sea, and killed a helpless whale. Then theres the clean air act. God knows what it did to the trees. Any children present would doubtlessly thought it funny. Ya got a contributing charge there...

 I wont bore you with the rest of the list.