The Last Post

[Dead Man Flying]

 

Originally posted by CANNON:
 Rock. Ive been hideing behind the bill of rights my whole life. I like it there just fine thank you. It is the loss of this very protecetion that I am concerened about.

 Ive read the first ammendment many times. I could find nothing in there that said I cant say anything I want.

The First Amendment protects you from government actions meant to curtail speech.  It does not, nor did it ever, protect you from private, non-governmental intrusion.  

Newspapers, for instance, may decide if they wish to publish a controversial advertisement or editorial.  Should they refuse, the advertiser or writer has no recourse to sue over First Amendment violations.  Along the same lines, movie theaters may eject you if you talk incessantly and disruptively during a movie.  HiTech Creations is no different; they own the servers, they own the code, and your presence in their game is a privilege, not a right.  If they decide that colorful language is inappropriate, they may legally remove players who violate the rules on THEIR system.

The First Amendment applies if Congress passes a law stating that all players of online multiplayer games may never use colorful language.  Chances are that violates the First Amendment.

Hope that clarifies things.    If need be, I can search out some cases to make my point.

-- Todd/DMF

[1776]

FACTS:

     HTC ownes this game.
     HTC controls all aspects of this game.
     We are HTC customers.
     We are subject to HTC TOS.
     We have no rights!!!
     An HTC customer has gone because of actions of some.  Not an unreasonable reaction.
     Now the question is how many others will or have gone for the same reason??

     I'm sure HTC is monitoring online behavior as it is in their best interest to do so!!!
     
     If you can't say it in a public forum, don't type it here.  Not unreasonable,right?

[BigJim]

heheh oh yes we do 1776 we can opt NOT to pay and if enough do it then the "privilage" is ours  

[K-KEN]

No BigJim, no threat.  You misread the post, but that happens.  I served in the military 1967 to 1975.  We don't seem to be getting anywhere here, but at least we all have an understanding of 1 thing:  Language CAN be a problem for some.
Maybe that is a beginning.....  
K-KEN

[1776]

BigJim, then you do understand the point Cord is making!!! Congrats!!

You do not have any rights in this game enviroment.  It is strictly governed by HTC.

If you can't conduct yourself via self
control within the game as a civilized individual you must be delt with by HTC and their TOS.  This is in the best interest of the entire AH community, and HTC.  Eliminate the few that cause the problems and you produce a happier customer base.  Now what kind of reputation does AH have in Cord's mind,not good, for sure.  What do you  think he will tell others about AH?  No, kick out the uncivilized, so few would have little affect on the AH reputation.  

[Hangtime]

Whew.

Finis...

Match; Game; Set..

I hope.

Hang

[HaHa]

Funny world isn't it.. the guy can have his daughter watch him as he goes around SHOOTING people who virtually DIE as they get destroyed, yet seeing some swear words fly across the screen is too offensive..... very very strange indeed.

[BigJim]

I guess YOU don't get it 1776, YOU are not HTC so don't go spouting off about what they will and won't do I find your attitude as harmful to HTC as anyone else's, I am sure that any company that stifles it's paying customers will pay the price in the long run (witness Sierra) and your holier than tho junk is just that JUNK

[1776]

I give up,BigJim.  I can only conclude that you would be the person in the restaurant eating mashed potatoes with your hands,because of rights.  It's a shame that all conduct has to be accepted.  It's a shame our society no longer has self imposed limits.  Sure, anything goes!!!  Now go find a crowded theater and yell FIRE!!!  You have that right!!!<currently baking cake with file for BigJim>

The only thing anyone can conclude from my previous comments is HTC is the final judge.  They and only they can determine the level of uncivilized on-line behavior that is acceptable.  I accept their judgment.

Can you?    

[This message has been edited by 1776 (edited 03-27-2000).]

[BigJim]

Well once again you have proven my point, when logic fails resort to self made quotes that I never said.  You see what I mean 1776, just because you differ in your opinion you feel it is fine to make up something that I never said and act as though it is a fact, and this you allude is civilized behavior????  At least with the Barbarian you KNOW where he/she stands, unlike the devious "civilized man" who like the willow will bend with wind no matter the cost to its shape or form as long it is in the same direction as the rest of the "willows".  It is interesting to note that Hitler counted on such as you to take Poland, the Rineland, and numerous other parts of Europe until such as people of my ilk said "enough".  Now for the lawyers in the community who have quoted civil law, I would remind you that parliment had the LAW on its side in the "colonies dispute" (only referenced to make sure you can tell when LAW and rights maynot coinside)

[Pyro]

Ok, that's enough of this.

This is a social game.  You're going to interact with people and sometimes it's not positive.  If you have problems with other players, then you should contact me and we'll work to resolve them.  

Our terms of service are simple, we can terminate an account for any reason.  Don't give us a reason.  We can't protect players from having a negative experience and make no claims in that regard, but we will do what's in our best interest.



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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations

No sniveling!