Author Topic: dont speed in finland (Read 1034 times)

Krusher · « **on:** January 14, 2002, 02:06:52 PM »

A director of the Finnish telecommunications giant, Nokia, has received what is believed to be the most expensive speeding ticket ever.
Anssi Vanjoki, 44, has been ordered to pay a fine of 116,000 euros ($103,600) after being caught breaking the speed limit on his Harley Davidson motorbike in the capital, Helsinki, in October last year.

Mr Vanjoki is a Harley Davidson enthusiast

Police say he was driving at 75 km/h (47 mph) in a 50km/h (31 mph) zone.

In Finland, traffic fines are proportionate to the latest available data on an offender's income.

Mr Vanjoki has announced he will appeal, because his income has since dropped.

Swoop · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2002, 02:32:46 PM »

"proportionate to the latest available data on an offender's income"

Cool. So I could come over to Finland, do 140mph through Helsinki and then tell em "I'm self employed, made a loss last year and now you owe me money!"

No? Aw well.....

What happens if little Johny, who's unemployed, takes his Dad's Mercedes SLK out and gets pulled for doing some stupid speed? Does the speeding fine go on Johny's income (zero) or his Dad's (bleedin loads - for example)?

mrsid2 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 14, 2002, 02:57:52 PM »

The police makes a secured cell phone call to the tax registry office and gets the income data of the offender. Based on that the police will write a penalty ticket which can be pulled to a trial if the offender does not approve it.

So if the little punk is a student and has no income, he'll pay the smallest 'day penalty' which is around $25 / day atm I think (at least was when I got busted

) and for a speeding like that will give him around 15-20 days penalty.

You either pay that money or spend 15-20 days in jail. Both ways go.. If you're skimpy with yer money you can do a little jail time LOL.

Gunthr · « **Reply #3 on:** January 14, 2002, 03:08:24 PM »

LOL That system would not work in the USA, Krusher. The cops would target all the expensive cars and ignore the older beat up junkers in hopes of netting high-income drivers.

(In the USA, a portion of traffic ticket revenue goes to Police Departments)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #4 on:** January 14, 2002, 07:16:34 PM »

diddlying Communists, WTF is wrong with my poor old Europe............

Staga · « **Reply #5 on:** January 14, 2002, 07:24:08 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
diddlying Communists, WTF is wrong with my poor old Europe............

Actually we're doing just fine here.

mrsid2 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 14, 2002, 10:01:03 PM »

What does communism have to do with getting a ticket for a traffic violation? LOL.

john9001 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 14, 2002, 10:46:06 PM »

you are fined by how much you earn.......the sad thing is people living under comunisim don't know it

ra · « **Reply #8 on:** January 14, 2002, 10:47:32 PM »

Certainly this has nothing to do with communism, but giving the government that kind of arbitrary authority to penalize based on income makes me nervous. People are not equal before the law when one speeder pays enough to buy a house while another pays enough for a case of beer. I wonder if it works both ways: if a rich man and a poor man are both assigned community service for some infraction, will the rich man only have to work a few hours (because his time is worth thousands of dollars/hour) while the poor man becomes a permanent slave (because he has no income so his time is worthless)?

Everything I've ever heard about Finland makes it sound like a great country, but this sounds like there's a bit too much 'Euro' somewhere in the government. You guys need a revolution.

When you're finished, please come over here to the U.S. and kill all our lawyers.

ra

Staga · « **Reply #9 on:** January 15, 2002, 03:33:08 AM »

RA it's quite easy:

If you're driving too fast in highway and you get caught you're getting "day penalty" which depends what your income is.
More speed = more "day penalties".
IMO it's working fine thought there should be somekind limit.

Anyway its violation against law and it's your own choice if you want to try your chances. I've got few "tickets" earlier and for me it's ok to pay more than a sole supporter with 3 kids with lesser income.

btw before you guys start to criticize what kind of penalties people get here if overspeeding (=against law) maybe you should think what kind of substitutions U.S court ordered when that women poured hot coffee in his lap in a drive-in... That was woman's own fault but U.S court put that restaurant to pay huge substitutions ?

Creamo · « **Reply #10 on:** January 15, 2002, 04:02:55 AM »

Europe does suck.

If I'm ever 19 again ,and Germany kicks the piss out of the lot of the popsicle's in 3 months,, Ill go there.

Until then, Ill just wonder why they just don't shut the diddly up and offer potatos and weed and other things people might visit for.

I'll be in Cancun, you frozen defeated toejamfuks.

Lol, I'm amuzing myself.

mrsid2 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 15, 2002, 05:37:37 AM »

Creamo isn't the brightest bulb in the bunch I see..

RA: Would you think a system of equal tickets would be fair then?
Let's take an example..

Let's say 2 people work at a factory. The other guy owns half of it and works as the president.. The other guy works as the janitor of the factory and earns one percent of the other guys salary.

Would you think that it would be fair for both to pay, say, $1000 for overspeeding?

The president would laugh at that amount, paying it happily from his day's income.. And probably breaking the speedlimit whenever he pleases. Whereas the janitor would be screwed because this amount equals his one month's salary.

There is just no 'golden middle road' in this case. It's way better that both the persons pay something like 10% of the salary as the penalty. That way the effect is felt the same way.

And Btw: we don't do community service here - nor do we put people to jail so easily like you do there. I think the US has the highest rate of prisoners per capita in the world.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #12 on:** January 15, 2002, 05:43:07 AM »

ITs an absolutely Communist idea, it punishes people who are intelligent, succesful and eterprenureal while rewarding those who are lazy and stupid and unsuccesful.
Compare to this. Some communist support programs in my old country made it more profitable for an individual NOT to work.

Anyway the whole of Europe is pretty sad nowadays and the EU beourocrats are just starting to explore their powers.

mrsid2 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 15, 2002, 05:59:00 AM »

GRUNHERZ so you mean to say that people with money do not need to obey the law?

You have your head stuck in your bellybutton so deep you can't see the light of day. I don't care if you have traumas from living behind the iron curtain some time in the past.. Rich people are equal in the eyes of the law just as the poor guy from the street.

Keep in mind that we are talking now about BREAKING THE LAW AND ITS EFFECT ON AN INDIVIDUAL ,not about oppressing the rich.

As Staga pointed out, it's far more dangerous to do business in the states though because people can sue the manufacturers for anything possible.

I think there should be warning labels in knife sets prohibiting the use of the knives for any self mutilation usage or violence. Otherwise the dork who cut his finger off can sue the knife company for selling him a dangerous product.

Those warnings labeled everywhere are really amusing. It shows that the industry has to think of your nation as a bunch of brainless zombies who will use the apparatus in the wildest imaginable ways to hurt themselves or others - and then suing the company for not stopping them from being a moron.

Your country might be the capitalist capital of the world, but it ain't perfect either. Each country has its good sides and its bad sides.

straffo · « **Reply #14 on:** January 15, 2002, 06:51:32 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
it punishes people who are intelligent, succesful and eterprenureal while rewarding those who are lazy and stupid and unsuccesful.

WARNING IT'S A SCOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP PPP
I agree with GRUNHERZ !!!!

We should pusnish the lazy stupid unsuccesful guy !
We should show him the way to success with an hard lesson learned :
Paying 2500$ should make him no more lazy ..