Author Topic: Corkscrew LW. (Read 1054 times)

Wotan · « **Reply #15 on:** January 15, 2002, 01:03:13 PM »

aileron rolls shouldnt cause much g......

F6f pilots are some of the worst "stich stirrirs" imho

they do some kinda of flop that causes them to lose 3k alt I used to think it was attributed to the right wing stall but after the fix they still do it. All planes to some degree or another are "gamed" but I dont see how an aileron roll, dive, reverse would be gaming. Warp rolls happen its the net nothin you can do but artificially pork the roll rates. I'm with Wilbuz on this should that happen I would walk to.

Raubvogel · « **Reply #16 on:** January 15, 2002, 01:07:41 PM »

The internet causes some funny stuff to happen. Last night I had a Stang coming up my 6 fast as hell. I chopped throttle and did a big looping barrel roll and he overshot me. I get "Nice stick-stirring" on ch1. I'm not sure what he saw on his FE, but I was certainly not "stirring the stick" on my end.

Zippatuh · « **Reply #17 on:** January 15, 2002, 01:07:45 PM »

Guilty.

Guilty of using rolling as a defense. P51 or F4U, if I have some alt and I get a con glued to my 6, hell yeah 90 degree nose down, wep, and roll baby roll baby roll. They usually break off or lawn dart at the deck. This approach is not lost on Apache.

I don’t think they’re bagging on the roll in any maneuver it’s purposely using it to get warps. Fortunately I have never run into one of these opponents. The “don’t move controls so rapidly” doesn’t play in here?

Zippatuh

Toad · « **Reply #18 on:** January 15, 2002, 01:17:28 PM »

Once again, I'll excuse myself by saying I don't think I really "get" whatever point is being made here. If a guys just rolling.. it's in the aircraft capability. So be it. If a guy has found a way to INDUCE warp... different story.

I will say, however, that rolling an aircraft at a high rate of roll ... rolling alone now... doesn't produce "g-effect". Pulling g's produces g-effect. Most of the rolls as I read them described here are pretty much unloaded or low-g rolls.

As for "regurgitation effect" I do remember doing consecutive aileron rolls in the T-38. IIRC, the roll rate was said to be around 720 degrees per second using max stick deflection. I don't EVER remember getting sick after doing these... and we did them a lot because they were great fun when you were heading back to the field or in other "slack" times. I seem to remember that you could make yourself a bit dizzy though if you just kept the stick over for an extended period.

maik · « **Reply #19 on:** January 15, 2002, 01:27:02 PM »

Perk, better remove all FW'S from the game there only good for cheating any way. They Cheat only on nonLW-Pilots in fact.

On the other hand, if there gone I can't die in them so much

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The Warprolling Legend goes on

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Tjay · « **Reply #20 on:** January 15, 2002, 02:42:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Once again, I'll excuse myself by saying I don't think I really "get" whatever point is being made here. If a guys just rolling.. it's in the aircraft capability. So be it. If a guy has found a way to INDUCE warp... different story.

It appears you can induce warp by simply banging the stick around the corners of the cockpit and going from full left rudder to full right at random. Certainly I've seen planes going through some extraordinarily violent and implausible manoeuvres trying to evade. The odd thing is they don't seem to loose energy while doing it. And don't take hits either.
I can't bring myself to use that technique myself 'cos I flew for real - many years ago. But lots of people on AH are ex arcade gamers who consider anything possible to be legitimate. And its hard to argue with that. What would be nice if the host filtered out such overcontrolling to limit the gyrations to what the plane and pilot would have been capable of.

Widewing · « **Reply #21 on:** January 15, 2002, 02:44:13 PM »

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I will say, however, that rolling an aircraft at a high rate of roll ... rolling alone now... doesn't produce "g-effect". Pulling g's produces g-effect. Most of the rolls as I read them described here are pretty much unloaded or low-g rolls.

Toad, there's always a "g-effect". How much is dependent upon how far the pilot is off the roll axis. Since the pilot is only a 2 or 3 feet off the roll axis in most WWII fighter, and closer on modern jets, the effect is not especially pronounced, but it's always present. Also, there are several different forces in play. That felt laterally during the beginning of a roll is caused by acceleration from rest and the centripital force felt tugging on one's helmet is a function of the radius (distance from roll axis) and velocity. (V^/R). Of course, we cannot forget that gravity is part of the equation as well.

My regards,

Widewing

FDutchmn · « **Reply #22 on:** January 15, 2002, 03:01:21 PM »

What??? Rolling causes warps???

Geez, I am guilty of this as well. First time I heard of this.

DRILL · « **Reply #23 on:** January 15, 2002, 03:05:16 PM »

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Originally posted by FDutchmn
What??? Rolling causes warps???

Geez, I am guilty of this as well. First time I heard of this.

hmmm could be

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #24 on:** January 15, 2002, 03:32:18 PM »

The warprolling/floppy fish maneuvers used to irritate me until the latest "TOTAL STALL" maneuver came into effect. I've seen it with P-51s and 190s quite a bit. I doubt its always intentional, but believe that occasionally it is. It really puts the old flop and extend maneuver to shame.

AKDejaVu

FDutchmn · « **Reply #25 on:** January 15, 2002, 04:21:34 PM »

Guys,

have you considered this? Just another wild thought. Let's define "warp" here.

I am thinking a "warp" is related to network delays and an issue of network connectivity.

Rather, I think I am getting descriptions here that seems to point to the priority of signals and the way AH FrontEnd processes updates.

For example, I see all the time warps of all planes around me when I get to 3000yrds out... always. It seems to me that AH prioritizes signals on planes closer than 3000yrds.

Couldn't this be for this rolling/warp thing? The position of the plane gets priority and the orientation of the plane comes next. The FrontEnd probably has a feature to extrapolate or guess what the next position and orientation are and updates these when the signals reach our terminal. The net result is that the plane seems to be doing wild manuvers when pilot is not really doing that.

Just a thought... Is it really intentionally induced?

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #26 on:** January 15, 2002, 04:23:25 PM »

No, some planes are capable of traversing their controls faster than data can be transmitted. These are definitely warps. We are not mistaken.

-SW

Kratzer · « **Reply #27 on:** January 15, 2002, 04:23:54 PM »

I think the answer to that is probably 'sometimes'.

Most people would never intentionally attempt to cause a warp, unfortunately, a few people would.

Hangtime · « **Reply #28 on:** January 15, 2002, 04:42:25 PM »

Aircraft doin warp rolls are a part of the 'game' in here.. no biggie in and of itself.. I'm sure there's plenty of AH film laying around on hard drives here in this community to illustrate the manuver.

What sucks about it is that when you compared an AH film of these manuvers to any real gun camera footage you'll not find any comparison to what you see on your computer screen vs what you see on the real life film... and I suspect that THAT is what Apache is refering to.

It's bogus gaming, and the manuver in and of itself would not save the guy trying it.. he's lost any advantage, is in a dire situation, and the normal acm part of the fight is long since over. All the guy is doing is desperately attempting to delay the inevetible via internet lag and warps, in some a/c helped along the way by it's superior roll rates.

The really annoying part of the manuver is the delay.. the guy is hoping the other guy stalls and augers or help arrives or he runs outta ammo.. *sigh* I don't think much of the manuver.. and when I do kill the dickhead thats doin it, or worse; get picked off his tail by a pal that had all the time in the world to come rescue the toejamhead, I reflect that at those moments that I don't much like that kind of gamey gay panzie assed gambit, or the pilots that use it and consider the game that much worse for having not corrected the conditions that excaberate it.. like 400+ folks on an overloaded server set making the whole damn situtation an all too freakin common occurance thus makin the game as of late a frustrating unenjoyable pain in my ass.

At which point I log and start punting the cat again.

Sachs · « **Reply #29 on:** January 15, 2002, 04:51:06 PM »

Was wondering why my FW slaughtered a whole slue of FDB's last night attacking our base before reset. Was never aware of this warp, I prefer scissors in my Dora anyway. It beats paper hands down thats for sure. BUt it does turn like a rock. SO I take it a Split S is now considered gaming? Stick stirring whatever they all die just some take longer. Have yet to see a warpy FW except for lag. Wondering if people are serious or they just whining again?