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[Tumor]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
 All the whacko christians and such conservatives who ask for it to be taught as official curriculm should also ask that Budhist and whatever other religious idea be taught. If you want it go to sunday schools!
 

....Parents should also teach thier kiddies that openly insulting people for what they believe in is commonly considered "uncalled for" in modern society, and pretty much cause for bringing attention to ones self and being point out as, an ass.  Of course the internet also removes the possibility of having ones nose flattened when participating in the above mentioned activity therefore ..we have to learn to be accepting of asses, or at least tolerant.   Might work for the problem between evolutionists and creationists....even scientologists!  JMHO, no offense.  

[Tumor]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But here is another thing I just dont understand.

Why cant people compromise?

There is plenty of room for both a GOD type origin and EVOLUTION.

Evolution and all of Science for that matter work pretty well back to the big bang and start of the universe. Nobody knows where all this came from, or what was before or where it is.

Where is the universe?


I see plenty of room for a GOD type force in that, no?

lol  Has anyone ever accused you of being completely schitzo?

[Thrawn]

There are people that believe the world is flat.  Should they teach that in school also?

It's My opinion that I'm the avatar of the God Biffnar.  In My  Diety form, I drank too much beer and bleched forth the Universe.  Better start teaching that in schools also.

I mean if you're going to have one creation myth taught in schools, might as well have them all...and truely confuse the kids.

[Tumor]

This is REALLY simple. (I'm not taking sides...just pointing out common sense).

Christians are correct and Creationism is how it all happened
1.  We have a set of pre-made rules for us to follow (takes some work out)
2.  We get to talk to "God" any time we want.  (At least theres SOMEONE-THING).
3.  Maybe...just MAYBE if YOU are WRONG, we all get to go to "Heaven and live on forever and ever and ever...in bliss no less.  (How this can happen without lots of sinful nudity and sex is beyond me..but you get the drift)

....Oh, and all the Hitler's and Dahmer's and etc etc get to burn forever in a big nasty lake of fire (makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside)



Evolution is how it all happened

1.  We came from Gas and slime and monkees.  (distasteful)
2.  It takes too long (we are impatient)
The real kicker
If you are right...when we die we get the opportunity to cease to exist and our conciousness is no more.  (Scary thought to most, maybe even worse than Hell).  No necessarily bad...but not good either


Added for the amusement of the truly intolerant.  I believe in both.  I believe GOD IS the missing link.  I think your average Christian puts way too much "spiritualism" or "magic" for lack of a better description into the God thing.   I do NOT think "God" as taught to us in "Bible" fashion could possibly be such a completely hateful and mean spirited bieng as "it" is portrayed.  I mean really, be honest with yourself.  How can you be so loving and blah blah and send people to
'hell" who've never even heard of you, FOR NOT BELIEVING IN YOU?  Completely ludicrous

[hblair]

Those who are trying to mix evolution and the Bibles account of creation think of this, According to the book of Genesis God created mature creatures, (not newborns), a mature Man and Woman, "Great Whales", Cattle, etc...

Sooo, Would God not also create a mature (already aged) earth?

Ponder the thought.

[weazel]

I believe there is a higher power, but as far as organized religeon goes it's a bunch of hooey.

Take 1 part superstition and two parts myth,  shake well and you get some absurdity like "God knocking up a married virgin" to create mankinds savior.  

No doubt JC was a man of God, but the son of God..... give me a break!

How many men don't have sex with their wives after marriage?  

Whoever called it the "opiate of the masses" was spot on IMO.

[Furious]

The problem with christianity, and all religions really, is that its dogma is simple minded.

It takes something as complex as the universe and applies simple myths, most not even making sense, to explain its inner workings.

Science does this as well, but it is flexible and willing to correct itself as new evidence is presented, thus creating more complex theories.  

When theories or facts or simple common sense contadict church teachings, its adherents then modify the dogma to their own personal tastes in order to compensate for the errors in the teachings.  We get wholey new individual interpretations with the question, "how do you know god didn't design it this way?".

Anyway, this subject has been debated by more "enlightened" people than me, so I will now take my leave.


F.

[GRUNHERZ]

Tumor youre kind of wierd buddy. In one post you call me "schitzo" for my comment then a few posts down you say basically the same thing- that you also think there can be room for both god and evolution.....  


And yes I think anyone who belives the creation story verbatim in the year 2002 is a little whacko, the ones who demand this purely and specifically RELIGIOUS concept be taught in schools are even more whacko. Just like the whacko gays who want gay type things taught in schools.

[Hortlund]

Something that pisses me off sometimes is how evolutionists tend to act as if their theory is anything but just that, a theory. Often they pretend that they are the scientists, and anyone criticizing them are basically just plain stupid.

One must remember that science deals with knowledge discovered using the scientific method. The theory of evolution is not based on scientific facts. Not one aspect of the theory of evolution has been proven. Remember that.

[Naso]

Originally posted by easymo
"OK wiseguys who created evolution?"

  It was Yamaha.

ROTFL!!!

But with some help from Toyota!!

[Tumor]

Originally posted by hblair
Those who are trying to mix evolution and the Bibles account of creation think of this, According to the book of Genesis God created mature creatures, (not newborns), a mature Man and Woman, "Great Whales", Cattle, etc...

Sooo, Would God not also create a mature (already aged) earth?

Ponder the thought.

"In his Image" does not have to mean mature.  I don't recall any mention of Adam and Eve's age either.  Good point to ponder however, this just goes to show how quickly and easily "interpretation" can change the entire meaning of a simple statement...err...whatever it was.

[Tumor]

Lest we all forget, the Bible as we know it was written some 2000 years ago.  This book was/is actually a combination of 66 entirely differen't books written over a fairly large amount of time.  (This is not theory).  The Bible wasn't just whooped up over night (like a few other religious documents I'll leave nameless) by a single guy.  It's a pretty cool story (and I won't even get started on the Apocrypha)
 
  King James had the base of what most of us consider the modern bible translated in the...err...17th century?  The date escapes me.  Anyway, translated from Greek, Latin, Hebrew and a few other languages.  James also sought to keep the translation as un-biased as possible by ensuring those doing the translatING were made up of a mix of differen't...hmm...lets call it "doctrines".  I believe there may even have been an athiest or two involved.  Anyhow, this is a remarkable book to say the least.  Christian or atheist, I recommend taking a class to study the book in a non-religious format (as I did, it was way more revealing than sitting in church).

  Anyhow, the Bible IMHO was written to/for a bunch of people (the world) who were considerably less educated than we were.  However, I would not want to try to survive in thier world (when survival is #1 just imagine how education changes).  Add this to the FACT that the Bible was written as a standard, warning, AND as a prediction (ok...Jews please be nice) of the return of Jesus Christ preceding the end of the world as we still know it.  Now, consider this...a book written for people with a considerably lower level of education / knowledge, BY a bunch of people who expected the return of J.C. and the end of the world to happen in 200yrs TOPS.  It works out to be a fairly good "Ok do this, live this way OR you will suffer miserably for eternity" story.  It worked fairly well.  

   I think the Bible has merit...is worth much more regard than offered by your modern "I know everything" athiest/evolutionist (no offense) who on 9 out of 10 occasions have never bothered to crack the book open let alone try to figure out what it means.  On the other hand ....I'm not entirely sure the actual stories and meaning are getting to us today.

[mrsid2]

Historically speaking, whenever the church has messed with science, it has been dead wrong.

The whole concept of religion relies on things that a human can't understand and therefore a true believer should not seek the 'bad' wisdom because things are just like God wanted them to be and that's good enough.. Right?

If the church had its way, the earth would still be a pancake and all the stars and the sun turning around it.

Religion is the human minds way to explain the unexplainable. It seems that some people just NEED to believe in some higher power because they can't grasp the reality around them.

Actually none of us can since what we understand as a concious reality is in fact an interpretation of signals fed into our brain. Anyone who experimented with LSD knows how different the 'reality' can look like after taking some acid.

Religion seems to have (in my experience) the biggest role in lowly developed societys like some village tribes in the jungles. They have gods here and there starting from treetops to earth. They don't have enough education to know why a lightning strikes and burns the forest so they think it's because the god of thunder is mad at them..

Superstition is such a strong part of our daily lives that it amazes me when I think we're already living the year 2002. How many of you knows or uses the phrase 'knock on wood?'

It comes from an ancient belief that if you mention some fortunate thing aloud, the God of unjustice will make it reverse for you (for example: Thank goodness I havent had a toothache for ages..) Luckily there is a way to please the God for saying such a thing and this is by knocking some unpainted wood. I don't know about other countries but this tradition goes on very strongly here even though most people have no idea of where it came from.

[Nath[BDP]]

I am God.

[hblair]

Originally posted by Tumor


"In his Image" does not have to mean mature.  I don't recall any mention of Adam and Eve's age either.  

I wasn't refferring to "in his image" per say, but the term "man". Genesis speaks of a man and women, not children or newly born babes, etc.