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[Kieran]

Religious studies can be offered as an elective in schools. Should it be there? I dunno, depends on how it is approached if you ask me. If it is a cursory glance at the workings of the world's major religions, sure- it might help us poor Americans better understand the root cause of some the longest lasting conflicts. OTOH, if the intent is to focus heavily on any particular religion, then no.

In no case should an attempt be made by a school (other than parochial) to forward any religion as the one and only.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Kieran
Religious studies can be offered as an elective in schools. Should it be there? I dunno, depends on how it is approached if you ask me. If it is a cursory glance at the workings of the world's major religions, sure- it might help us poor Americans better understand the root cause of some the longest lasting conflicts. OTOH, if the intent is to focus heavily on any particular religion, then no.

In no case should an attempt be made by a school (other than parochial) to forward any religion as the one and only.

No argument on any of that...well said.

[mrfish]

Originally posted by Kieran
In no case should an attempt be made by a school (other than parochial) to forward any religion as the one and only.

why do you say that? as a true christian you had better be for christian education in public school!

you have a christian duty to spread the word of christ to everyone you see fervently and relentlessly with all your abilities.

at least that's the way i interpreted the bible when i read it. if i were a christian i'd be preachin every minute of every day. otherwise yer just blowin smoke...

[Kieran]

When we went around the first time, I felt you were possibly offended by a discussion I had with St.Santa. After witnessing your vehemence unleashed on Hblair, who has done nothing to provoke you, I realize it is you that has issues to resolve.

If you have rejected religion, don't condescend to tell me how to be religious. I happen to believe you don't understand it at all, and see the pointlessness of arguing with you about it.

I would like to see the proof of the overt state-sponsored program to indoctrinate our children into a national religion? I could understand and justify your anger, then.

[midnight Target]

"Did it matter if Copernicus believed the Creation Myth or not? "

Believing the "Creation Myth" is not the point....using the Bible as a science text is the point.

"Copernicus's heliostatic cosmology involved giving several distinct motions to the Earth. It was consequently considered implausible by the vast majority of his contemporaries, and by most astronomers and natural philosophers of succeeding generations before the middle of the seventeenth century. Its notable defenders included Johannes Kepler (1571 -1630) and Galileo Galilei (1564 - 1642). Strong theoretical underpinning for the Copernican theory was provided by Newton's theory of universal gravitation (1687). "

Galileo had a little trouble with religion on this one....look it up.

And based on the delay in acceptance of his theory so did Copernicus. (even though he was dead) The fact that Copernicus didn't publish his ideas until he was on his death bed speaks volumns about how religion has undermined and attempted to thwart the expansion of knowledge.

"And yet it turns" - GG

[hblair]

Originally posted by mrfish
why the venom?

because religions f's up the whole world and shut peoples heads off and its irritating.

heres the patent response for that of course: religion doesnt make problems people do and when everyone accpets jesus everlovin grace everything will be ok....

right?

everytime i turn on the tv and see people holding hands and swaying and having a 'religiogasm' all i can think is what a bunch of weakminded losers.

it is a cheap drug for poor uneducated superstitious people and nothing more.

go anywhere in the world where people have nothing and are miserable and they will always turn to religion. they dont have a pot to piss in but they --->bought<--- a picture of the pope and hung it on the wall.

they got 11 kids running around because they are afraid to go to hell for using birth control but the pope sits back on a golden throne with a million servants.

its hipocritcal and useless. everytime you confront a christian they roll their eyes back in their head and start chanting the same old nonsense - big wafty sayings about god's grace.

it is a cheap escape for people who cant stomach the truth.

keep your fantasies i'd like a safe world some day - one without the murderous compulsions brought on by religion.

Hey I really appreciate you painting me with a big wide brush like that. Put me in the same boat with people who aren't even really Christians, eh? Is that the easy way, just pull up your worst memories of people who *claim* to be christian, then say they are all like that? Don't bother investigating the facts. From the post above, it would seem you are more close-minded and judgemental than the people whom you are accusing to be.

[mrfish]

your people can't even keep their house in order. shouldnt every christian be able to defend christianity?

you have hundreds of denominations some that are killing each other.

there is one body of christians and the fact that it is fractured isnt my problem. if anything it shows the weakness of the organization.

they cant even put out a consistent message why should their view be taught in school?

[hblair]

Originally posted by mrfish
your people can't even keep their house in order.

 
Who are my *people*? What house?

Originally posted by mrfish
shouldnt every christian be able to defend christianity?

Yes.

Originally posted by mrfish
you have hundreds of denominations some that are killing each other.

No I don't. I'm a member of the church of Christ. Most denominations are not doing what the Bible says.

Originally posted by mrfish
there is one body of christians and the fact that it is fractured isnt my problem. if anything it shows the weakness of the organization.

Or, most people who say they are Christians aren't Christians after all. (You know, that verse in Matthew you went over when you read all the Bible)

Originally posted by mrfish
they cant even put out a consistent message why should their view be taught in school?

errr, When did I say it should be taught in school? I'm not one of these who pushes for "prayer at the flagpole".  If people want to pray they will pray. I also believe evolution should not be shoved down our throats as well.

[Kieran]

Better wipe the spittle from your lip...

[hblair]

doh.

[mrfish]

Originally posted by hblair
errr, When did I say it should be taught in school? I'm not one of these who pushes for "prayer at the flagpole".  

you are compelled by the bible to spread the word every chance you get.

it seems lukewarm not want the message at schools, but what do i know.

[Kieran]

Jesus walked straight out of his home town when it became obvious people would not listen to him. There comes a point when even the most ardent supporter realizes the words will not be heard. To continue the protest does more harm than good in some cases.

You aren't receptive, you can't even look at a person's perspective objectively. When you're ready to talk about it seriously, I'm sure God will put someone there for you.

[hblair]

We've got a door knocking deal coming up in a month or two. Whereabouts in frisco do you live? and do you own a shotgun?

[mrfish]

shiiiii......they betta bring a fan cause it's gonna get awful hot with all that pritchin' and a-glorifyin'......send your heaviest hitter.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Kieran

I know a nice guy that is gay. I don't want to be his friend, yup, because he represents a lifestyle I find reprehensible. I am polite, helpful, and have even defended him against those that publicly bashed him for being gay. Still, he is not my friend and never will be. I could live next door to him, I could work next to him, and as long as he never mentions his lifestyle, we could talk. But that's it.

I can show him respect, but I will never approve of his lifestyle, nor will I ever be a part of spreading it. How tolerant is that?

  I think this is a fairly bad thing.  Don't get me wrong, not trying to offend you Kieran, but you've done for this guy everything any true freind would do for you, probably more.  The problem is your still solid about not being his friend.  I would think this is disrespectful. In otherwords, you've made yourself Judge and Jury and convicted this guy before he's committed a crime and THAT is what leads to very bad things happening on a grand social scale.  (no offense just speaking my mind)

  I too used to think exactly like you, however ..lol.  My wife worked with a gay man and he ended up being a very close friend of the family.  He know's how I feel about homosexuality and that it is not a topic for discussion when my kids are around.  I used to think it was hilarious how this guy and my wife would sit in the living room and chit-chat/gossip exactly like a couple of little girls hahaha.  Heck I even embarrassed the toejam outta my self once.  Here I was in the Den playing Aces High while he and my wife were having one of thier gossip sessions when suddenly someone shot me down and I'm screaming "YOU FU$%*ING studmuffinGOT" at the top of my lungs heheh.....sheesh.  

  Anyway, you'd be suprised at just how better YOU feel about yourself when you start accepting people for who they are, irregardless of ...a host of variables.

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