Perk Planes

[hazed-]

someting needs to be done as the ma stands its becoming stagnent!

an PAC and ETO arena would be cool  

perks seem to be working IMHO as you rarely see tempests and ta152s.I still think 10 perks for f4c would be really fair and to show im not all against USAAF ill agree to perk dora too! say 5-10 perks?

i dont think dora deserves to be perked but to lessen f4cs everywhere id perk the dora.

would be great to see less f4cs and nikis but it seems if i say this im a whiner!!
well this last week ive been questioning whether i want to stay in AH.New planes promised just dont excite me much and im sick of the difference in bullet drop and dispersion between MG151 and hispanos.
If i play with f4c i can hit easily from huge distances and it seems arcadey.
Im sorry but AH is heading towards a furball game and its getting old.I DONT want to fly F4s and Nikis but every other quake head can and they can ruin yer day just by pointing at you and firing.wheres the fun in that?

just dont know what to do.Cant complain about this as its dismissed as whine but its driving me away from the game.This map is 10x worse for nikis and f4cs so im just hoping for a map change asap.

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Hazed
3./JG2

[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 04-15-2001).]

[aknimitz]

That is the BEST idea I have heard thus far regarding what to do with perk planes and how to treat them.  I hope HTC is reading this thread, it outta give this some thought.  

[StSanta]

I'm with funked.

And the Ta-152 rules. One just have to have the guts to fly it like any other low level furball plane  . Ask Kirin, he's the ta152 low level furball all enemies on the ta eeek meister.

kirin has 98 kills and has been killed 13 times in the Ta 152H.

But it would be nice if some of the more popular late war monsters would be cheap perks

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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"

[FabryKA6]

Very good idea AKcurly !!

[CRASH]

Yeah, I totally agree f4 guns and niks ufo flight model really take a toll on the fun quotient for people not flyin' them.  Nik I dont mind much because their easily outrun but those chog guns are ridiculous...just point and spray...it's ludicrous.  I will almost always avoid a ho and will do nose low barrel roll or similar nose low manuever at 1600 out to avoid and have been hit more than I care to admit by sprayin' chogs....it really gets old.  It's rare I'm hit from 6 by one.....seems people flyin' 'em generally cant manuever into that position....wonder why?    HO was very dangerous....there needs to be some penalty or disincentive for flying in that style, chog guns just encourage it to the detriment of everyone else and considering that there were so few of them operational and they really unbalance things by encouraging such a quake style of game play to the detriment of the guys who play this game for the acm I really dont understand why the things modeled in the first place. No question it needs to be perked.  Call it whine if ya like but it makes the game less fun and more likely that the hardcore sim guys will look elsewhere when the time comes IMO.

CRASH  


 

Originally posted by hazed-:
someting needs to be done as the ma stands its becoming stagnent!

an PAC and ETO arena would be cool    

perks seem to be working IMHO as you rarely see tempests and ta152s.I still think 10 perks for f4c would be really fair and to show im not all against USAAF ill agree to perk dora too! say 5-10 perks?

i dont think dora deserves to be perked but to lessen f4cs everywhere id perk the dora.

would be great to see less f4cs and nikis but it seems if i say this im a whiner!!
well this last week ive been questioning whether i want to stay in AH.New planes promised just dont excite me much and im sick of the difference in bullet drop and dispersion between MG151 and hispanos.
If i play with f4c i can hit easily from huge distances and it seems arcadey.
Im sorry but AH is heading towards a furball game and its getting old.I DONT want to fly F4s and Nikis but every other quake head can and they can ruin yer day just by pointing at you and firing.wheres the fun in that?

just dont know what to do.Cant complain about this as its dismissed as whine but its driving me away from the game.This map is 10x worse for nikis and f4cs so im just hoping for a map change asap.

[Ripsnort]

Crash, Typhoon has same guns as Chog, except its a much faster plane. Spit has 2 of the same guns as Chog, and P38 has only 1, but still same gun.  Chogs are no threat except if you are involved in a lower furball and they come from outta no where with energy...of course, anything is as deadly if the pilot is good...I do agree that the guns make snap shots easier, after all, thats why they put them on the C-hog, even though pilots preferred the reliability of the .50's...most agree that a snap shot of 20's did far more damage than the snap shot of .50's...so I guess your complaint is that these guns are too historical, no?

[Eagler]

interesting idea but will not fly...

newbies don't have perk points but they do have $$$'s  

Eagler

[LePaul]

 

Originally posted by Eagler:
interesting idea but will not fly...

newbies don't have perk points but they do have $$$'s    

Eagler

Well said.

I dont like the perk system, it tells people that do not have the time to play and earn perks that they cant have the other airplanes.  I dont like that, I suggest let all the aircraft be available to all players.  

Conversely, I do not care what era the airplanes are from...I know to many of you the historical part of this game is very important to you.  For me, I like having anything from the World War II battlefield available to me.  Pre-1939, 1944, etc whatever means nothing to me.  I pick an airplane based on the role I need to do...club acks, kill panzers, bomb, etc.  That's all.  I would just like to see every player have every aircraft available to them, and not denied an aircraft due to less time to play Aces High and earn perkies.

.02    

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[This message has been edited by LePaul (edited 04-16-2001).]

[AKSeaWulfe]

   

Yeah.. I really look forward to being able to take off in a F4F4 Wildcat to go find someone to kill and find out that every dweeb plane loving moron is circling the skies in Tempests cuz they are free.

Man that'd just kick so much ass, I tell you I don't know why I would want to play any other games!!!  
-SW

[VISCONTI]

This new perk idea is very good IMO.

The actual perk sistem is poor, and this new idea can give new life to the MA.

We need to test that.

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[AKSeaWulfe]

 

Originally posted by LePaul:
 Well said.

I would just like to see every player have every aircraft available to them, and not denied an aircraft due to less time to play Aces High and earn perkies.

As far as this argument goes, it carries about as much water as a dried up bag of tomatoes. Flown 9 hours and 26 minutes this tour and 13 hours and 9 minutes last tour and have accumulated over 200 fighter perk points in JUST A2A combat. You know why? Here's a lil' secret, now don't you go tellin' no one.... I flew the 205, 202, La5, 190A5 and P38. Ssshhhh!  Don't tell guys that if they fly planes with higher ENY ratings they get more perk points... they might actually jump outta the Chogs and N1Ks and learn a lil' somein'.
   
-SW

[lazs]

its no secret... I hate the perk system.  it's backwards or maybe sideways.   in any case it's nonsensicle.... everyone pays the same to play but everyone has a different amount of time to play or even a different skill level.   the perk system simply makes everything more lopsided with players who need perk planes the least flying em the most and those who would not be much of a threatr anyway never flying em..  the new perk rides would get a lot more use if they were simply free to all for the last day or two of the tour.  

How will we introduce early rides?? reverse perk???  new guys stuck in P39's forever and being vulched by Bearcats and -4 Hogs??  It's a ded end system... a complex solution for a nonexistent problem as jeff cooper was known to say about double action conversions for 1911 colt 45 acp's.
lazs

[Nashwan]

 

Yeah.. I really look forward to being able to take off in a F4F4 Wildcat to go find someone to kill and find out that every dweeb plane loving moron is circling the skies in Tempests cuz they are free.

And I really enjoy taking off in a Spit and finding every dweeb plane loving moron is flying planes so fast I don't have a hope of catching them, unless they're stupid enough to turn fight.

The gap between a Spit V, 202, Zero etc and a Dora is far bigger than the gap between a Dora and Tempest, yet the Dora and Spit V cost the same, while the Tempest is infinitely more expensive than either. Perking should apply to most planes with a sliding scale, not just single out one or two.

As to Tempests taking over the arena, I fly H2H quite often. (If I pay $30 a month I am restricted to a 1942 plane, for free I can fly a late war fighter like all the other countries). The Tempest does not dominate in H2H, in fact I rarely see them. Far more Hogs, Doras and Spits, but rarely a Tempest.

[LaVa]

the system is fine and works.

can believe somone would whine about perk planes, im mean how many times do you see a perk much less fight one.

perking late models<51,d9,etc etc) is a bad idea for one, new guys dont have any perks, how they going to fly em? Second, If forces many people to fly inferior early model toejam.  I for one dont want to be stuck in a piece of junk fighting other pieces of junk.  Leave that for Senerios.

As for those who complain that RL gets in the way of them flying perkies learn to fly a higher eny value aircraft and make the most out of yer sorties.

GdamnednikisChogwhinersnoperk gettingmotherfukrs.


LaVa

[janjan]

That perk everything from year x is as old an idea as the whole perk stuff. But a very good one  .

"I for one dont want to be stuck in a piece of junk fighting other pieces of junk. Leave that for Senerios."

Huh, that is something i really can't understand...it's more like the earlier the plane (and weaker guns), the better the fite. Also, there isn't that many plane types that do not have many versions...earlier and later ones. People object flyin spit V but insist to fly spit IX? or 109 differen versions or La5 instead of La7?