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Sturm

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Pyro The Dora-9 WTF did you do this plane?
« on: March 09, 2001, 09:39:00 AM »
I mainly fly FA 2.5 but have finally given in and tried flying AH for a few hours last night "I did fly in the past but the fun was just not there flying for the rooks lol".  After reading stats and charts on the D-9 and seeing the performance of this plane it is truly in my understanding that German planes will never compare to what they should have been like allied planes modeled in here.  I have posted charts and data on this bird that is truly eye opening, what we read in books is a farce.  We all know the D-9 has a reported top speed of 426 mph, but this is not the case try 440 and with extra manifold being used tack on a few more MPH.  If you want me to repost the true data on the FW's let me know and I will do so willingly.  Another note I loaded only 25% fuel and ROC was appalling with WEP.  I am not sure if they have modeled MW-50 for low alt and GM-1 for high alt but seeing how they modeled a late war variant do to paint scheme.  This plane handles like a freaking pig as well, only thing it has going is roll rate and that is still sluggish, "D-9 was marginally a little slower roller to the A- series"  I also was not impressed with the Ta-152, another bird that cannot turn, on the deck the 152 was superior to the Tempest being able to out turn it as well.  What gives?  152 is very fast on the deck after a dive and zoom climb is very respectable but what about climb?  I knpw first thing you will do is flick your fingers thru the closest book on GE planes and note it around 3400 FPM, these test that they show in books, while many being way off are done at full combat weight, when I use 1/4 the fuel to test with WEP 3400 is max I can attain at 150 IAS.  I am also curious as to why there are no weapon loadouts for the D-9 or F-8 and TA-152?  One other mention if anyone in here reads history on these 2 birds was there ability to out accelerate allied planes, tell me at a max 1 mph per sec gain at 15K is what we are looking at?  Now does this sound like a breath taking number to escape a 51 or a spit?  I strictly tested these 2 planes and was not impressed, flying the Tempest well that is a different story, way overmodeled or the others just way undermodeled?  You tell me, I won't spend the 30 bucks a month to fly a perk plane that shouldn't even be perked in the first place, the way it is modeled now at least.  Nothing should touch the 152 at high alt, and others would have an extremely hard time on the deck with it as well. Just for sake fix it please the D-9 is a lovely plane that should not be given the piggish characteristics it has now.  
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Pyro The Dora-9 WTF did you do this plane?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2001, 09:44:00 AM »
FA 2.5 You say?
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Pyro The Dora-9 WTF did you do this plane?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2001, 09:46:00 AM »
Troll alert! Do not feed!

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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2001, 09:49:00 AM »
Another 1 book expert?  Puh_lease.

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Pyro The Dora-9 WTF did you do this plane?
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2001, 09:54:00 AM »
Yes Fa 2.5, do I like it?  Yes do the graphics suck yup, planes modeled right in there?  Nope but the flyers are great which is the only reason I fly it.  My first true mission in AH I had 3 kills in 1 run and that was a 3-1 disadvantage doesn't matter which game I know my planes and how to fly them.  I will not get into a bickering war about which game is better, I like AH for its graphics and flight characteristics but seeing the D-9 I was appalled.  I flame to get their attention to fix problems, glaring problems.  So get off your high horse, oh all mighty AH flyers, its a game and not some back yard teenage scrap.  

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Pyro The Dora-9 WTF did you do this plane?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2001, 09:58:00 AM »
what you posted here is an opinion.
Post some numbers maybe then someone will take you seriously.


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Pyro The Dora-9 WTF did you do this plane?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2001, 10:08:00 AM »
You might no my friend Naudet, he posted the data on the FW's awhile back in which he recieved from me.  I will repost the data tonight on plane specs.  Again not an intent to flame you but the numbers don't lie.  They are using specs from out dated sources that are put into books, mind you data is just now leaking out even after all these years on GE and JP planes.    

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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2001, 10:11:00 AM »
Whats the maximum speed of Ta152?

I read from one source (I haven't looked at more yet) says H-1 maximum speed is 750km/h (a. 466mph), but I haven't even got near to that speed in couple quick tests.
It always ends up to somewhere 415-420mph, but I dont know anything about Ta-152s altitude/speed charts.
(its a big glider though  )

I got to find / look at more sources telling about Ta 152...

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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2001, 10:14:00 AM »
" I flame "

Cause you're an arse. And maybe that works in FA.

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Pyro The Dora-9 WTF did you do this plane?
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2001, 10:16:00 AM »
Thats just it, they are not even close to specs, and I know not every plane would be a screamer depending on material used man hours and quality.  But from my tests at 35K the numbers are way down were this plane really shined.  And yes it does glide very nice as well as the 234, but gliding is only fun when no one is around   One thing I did notice and this is a plus is the guns hit very hard on the D-9.

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Pyro The Dora-9 WTF did you do this plane?
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2001, 10:22:00 AM »
I love it, I post a flame on a plane and state that I also fly FA and now the "my game is better then yours responses come"  If you haven't noticed a lot of the flyers in this game are from FA, I am an arse for posting the truth?  You must be a very intelligent person then, or a idiot that doesn't know a FW from a Spit.  Post something that is a worthy flame Dingles, otherwise keep going on looking like a lawn dart you so willingly love to be.  The truth hurts sometimes and I won't sugar coat it unlike a lot of people that will kiss arse "as you say it".    

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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2001, 10:27:00 AM »
 Also noted your friend Naudet pulled the same whine and leg stomp in regard to  the P-38 in the CORRECT fourm last week.
 
 Perhaps when you realise that gross generalisations and empty accusations will get you no where unless you post book titles, actual scans and real quotes. Less will get you nothing but scorn and ridicule. Just like a kid who wines

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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2001, 10:32:00 AM »
 
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Thats just it, they are not even close to specs, and I know not every plane would be a screamer depending on material used man hours and quality.  But from my tests at 35K the numbers are way down were this plane really shined.  And yes it does glide very nice as well as the 234, but gliding is only fun when no one is around   One thing I did notice and this is a plus is the guns hit very hard on the D-9.

Yeah, tell me about it..  I were just testing durability of Ar234 in offline play and used acks to test it, I lost both engines and nose gear (before that, left engine got lit up on first hit)
I was flying low towards fairly tall hill with 280mph, then I pulled up and climbed over 4000fpm for few seconds and leveled out - bit over 200mph left and glided for loooong way with it.

I just got to do more testings on Ta152, after I get more sources to look at.

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Pyro The Dora-9 WTF did you do this plane?
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2001, 10:38:00 AM »
 
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I am an arse for posting the truth?  
No your an bellybutton because you came in with a trolling complaint with no facts to back it up. Sources, Charts and testing results Game vs Real life stats would be in order if you are interested in helping to advance a case.BTW you are correct that alot of people here came from FA, one reason they came is people like you are the norm for that community.


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Pyro The Dora-9 WTF did you do this plane?
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2001, 10:42:00 AM »
A person asking for support and does so through flame is in trouble before he starts.