Author Topic: Pyro The Dora-9 WTF did you do this plane? (Read 1450 times)

Wisk-=VF-101=- · « **Reply #45 on:** March 09, 2001, 02:30:00 PM »

Well, ultimately it's up to the developer to decide. of course everything is possible, but it doesn't take that much time for the developer to check whether he modeled the plane according to his opinion of its performance based on the various sets of data he saw.
So again, with so many different opinions on the performance it's not that easy for the developer to make a choice, but it does have to be made.
I'm sure there are a lot of people questioning niki's performance. There might be other examples when some players might not be satisfied with the model decisions. As Pyro said himself one - it's not possible to please everyone.

juzz · « **Reply #46 on:** March 09, 2001, 04:38:00 PM »

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Instead of setting us up for these B.S. threads it would really be nice if HT would post the performance specifics which they have to hard code into their program for each altitude then we would at least have something concrete to either agree or disagree with

What, you mean like this?

Jekyll · « **Reply #47 on:** March 09, 2001, 05:34:00 PM »

Vermillion, can you translate the armament loadout on the Ta152 from that first chart of yours?

It almost looks as though the tested Ta had the following armament:

1 Mk 108 30mm cannon firing through the hub,
2 Mg151/20 20mm cannon mounted in the cowl
2 Mg 151/20 20mm cannon mounted in the inner wings
2 Mk 108 30mm cannon mounted in the outer wing

4 20mm cannon and 3 30mm cannon? Hmmm, can we say 'buff hunter' ?

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Fishu · « **Reply #48 on:** March 09, 2001, 05:48:00 PM »

Gee.. so we have a real flying tank 152 flying charasteristics modelled but just given the normal armament?
(Pst.. Can I have those guns or have those 15-22mph to top speed?)

fd ski · « **Reply #49 on:** March 11, 2001, 05:58:00 PM »

So where out resident 190/152 expert ran off to ? To buy a second book ?

I would recommend "Revisionist History 101: Why Luftware never really lost a single plane"

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AKDejaVu · « **Reply #50 on:** March 11, 2001, 06:08:00 PM »

Hehehe.. was wondering that too Fd Ski. It seems he vacated the premises not long after the other thread he started.

AKDejaVu

Glasses · « **Reply #51 on:** March 11, 2001, 11:23:00 PM »

IMO as the Ta152 as is now, the only good asset about it are its guns. I do notice too that the D9 in AH has much better alt performance than the 152 just amazes me that the Ta152 is a perk in its current model and those extra 15. 20 mph are necessary so too the extra climb rate. All we have now is an expensive glider.

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Jochen · « **Reply #52 on:** March 12, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

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IMO as the Ta152 as is now, the only good asset about it are its guns. I do notice too that the D9 in AH has much better alt performance than the 152 just amazes me that the Ta152 is a perk in its current model and those extra 15. 20 mph are necessary so too the extra climb rate. All we have now is an expensive glider.

I don't think Dora will go up to 48 kft...

Ta 152H was designed to be a high altitude fighter to counter B-29.

I would think Ta 152 has much better fighting capability in high altitudes than Dora because of lower wingloading which really matters up there. Dora might be fast in high alts but it aint too maneuvereable!

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maik · « **Reply #53 on:** March 12, 2001, 05:53:00 AM »

Verm:

again HOW can you state that they were only 3 H1's build. I konw you're sources and read the charts you posted, besides the fact that I have different sources

. Even in your sources isn't said that they were build only 3 of them, as far as i remember.

You're only figuring that from the High "werknummern" they are shown there.

If I ask other people for proof please deliver some by yourself.

No offense menat here.

Maik

Vermillion · « **Reply #54 on:** March 12, 2001, 07:31:00 AM »

No Maik, actually most of the sources say that NO production H1's saw service, or that it was 'highly unlikely' they saw service, including the one I quote.

But its the physical evidence of the 152 that the British captured that actually was a H1, (the Eric Brown plane) and was one of those last three production numbers.

Thats my basis, conversely why don't you show me where there is evidence otherwise.

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Fishu · « **Reply #55 on:** March 12, 2001, 10:29:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Jochen:
I don't think Dora will go up to 48 kft...

Ta 152H was designed to be a high altitude fighter to counter B-29.

I would think Ta 152 has much better fighting capability in high altitudes than Dora because of lower wingloading which really matters up there. Dora might be fast in high alts but it aint too maneuvereable!

But still Ta 152 is too slow, which is a bad thing when its loosing that much in speed...
Accerlation isn't any great either, so slow speed and slow accerlation = target drone.

Nath-BDP · « **Reply #56 on:** March 12, 2001, 02:47:00 PM »

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000976.html

Author Topic: Pyro The Dora-9 WTF did you do this plane? (Read 1450 times)

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