Author Topic: Knits read: 6 Call function (Read 938 times)

MikeKA · « **Reply #45 on:** January 22, 2002, 11:18:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime
I wish we had a 'check brain' key.

Scenario.. yer workin on pickin off the few remaining buildings at the city, yer goons only 2 min out. defenders, denied reup from the field due to hangers down or runways vulched begin streaming in from a nearby field, they are commin into yer SA zone mighty fast, carrying a big sack of e as they scream in and with most of your attention focused on the targeting runs in the dirt, a bad guy saddles you up. You miss his arrival on yer six, yer 2 seconds from hosing down the last buildings..

J.A.B. Manxer, Doberman and thier ilk , happily vulching the field you deacked for them not 4 min before see the baddie settin up on yer six but are too far off to affect the outcome, and don't believe in 6 calls.

You get tagged by the baddie.. the farm stays up, the goon gets whacked next by the same baddie, the field don't fold. Those vulchers, hey; ain't THEY the happy campers tho.. more seals to club for even more perkies, my, but ain't that fun.

Yep.. need a 'check brain' key for even thinking that teamwork is possible around guys like this.

Yeah, well I don't know JAB but I know manx and he's a team player. Great point to your story, but you are putting the wrong names in there for sure. Manx has given me my fair share of six calls in a furball. And his entire squad is team oriented. How do I know? I've flew against him for a few years. I for one believe that if you need a six call then you messed up, and should just be thankful that someone has SA enough for both of you. Six calls are a luxury, not a right in my opinion. Perhaps this is not what most AH'ers believe in. And just maybe people should be shunned if they don't watch out for their team mates who are probably not watching out for them. But remember that alot of us "veteran newbies

" came from places where there is no such thing as a 6 call. Give it some time.

I've actually been biznatched at for giving a six call to people who don't need it. I understand there plight, but I don't have a problem when someone gives me a call that I don't need. 9 times out of ten when I get a six call I really don't need it. But I am very thankful for those times that someone saves my bellybutton with a "Check 6". From my perspective, when I see a possible cherry pick the target is gonna be hearing a "Check 6" in their ear whether I think he needs it or not.

Mike Yurich
479th Raiders

Hangtime · « **Reply #46 on:** January 22, 2002, 11:46:43 AM »

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but I don't have a problem when someone gives me a call that I don't need. 9 times out of ten when I get a six call I really don't need it. But I am very thankful for those times that someone saves my bellybutton with a "Check 6". From my perspective, when I see a possible cherry pick the target is gonna be hearing a "Check 6" in their ear whether I think he needs it or not.

Now thats a positive MA attitude, and it's all anybody could hope for, and often more than we expect. Like you, I'm thankful when I get 'em, needed or not; means the guys around that area are on the ball and team players. I do my best to return the favor, and don't begrudge a guy for doin his best to help.

As opposed to this sparkling little slap in the face to common courtesy in the MA from J.A.P.

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I'm one of the people who don't give out 6 calls. I find most of them annoying, especially considering how 90% of the ones I recieve are when the enemy is 4-5K away on my 12. I do of course thank the people who send me the occasional good 6 call....but such are few and far between. I don't give them out because I can't be bothered to; I've got other things to worry about than watching somebody else's tail for him. Should a friendly not seem to notice an enemy I might call out 666 on the text buffer....or I might not.

Whotta guy. Heluva pilot. Skilled and competent, eagle eyed and rarin to go, just the kind of team player thats great to have working in the same sector yer in. On the other side.

Staga · « **Reply #47 on:** January 22, 2002, 11:55:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime

...the kind of team player thats great to have working in the same sector yer in. On the other side.

That kinda sums it up.

Zippatuh · « **Reply #48 on:** January 22, 2002, 11:56:31 AM »

Wow, I don’t have any idea what the big deal is in giving a 6 call.

Yeah, if someone is in the soup as the only friendly with a swarm of red around them, I don’t think they need the call or expect to be saved. In normal everyday all around situations in fighting what is the harm in throwing a 6 call? Hell you don’t even have to be in distance to help but the call can still be made.

What it takes all of a second or less to do and really doesn’t require any other action on your part so why not? I don’t mind getting them, I like it, and it doesn’t bother me if I get access calls either. I also don’t differentiate between people I know or like, hell I gave Wotan a call the other day

, j/k.

It takes no time, it requires no action, so why not do it?

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Originally posted by Wilbus
...even when they are on the 6 of a person who is on my/your 6 they don't warn you...

This really gets me. I get pings, start to burn, and look behind to see a countryman glued to the sucker and never got a call. This is about the only time I get aggravated I didn’t get a call.

Zippatuh

Fariz · « **Reply #49 on:** January 22, 2002, 12:24:28 PM »

I get many check 6 calls, almost every time I have enemy on my 6. Sometime, in a furball, it even annoys, because you get 10 check 6 at the same time

Often I know about enemy is there, but sometime it saves my plane from BOOM. I really believe people are quite cooperative in giving check 6, at least in bishland.

Fariz

J_A_B · « **Reply #50 on:** January 22, 2002, 12:38:57 PM »

"I get pings, start to burn, and look behind to see a countryman glued to the sucker and never got a call. This is about the only time I get aggravated I didn’t get a call. "

This situation illustrates a flaw in YOUR flying, not a flaw with your countrymate who apparently was doing his best to help you.

Just reminding you, you do have a view key to look behind you.....it defaults to #2 on the keypad. If the enemy is sneaking up on your tail and you don't notice, you are not using your 6 view often enough and no amount of 6 calls will help. Flying a plane with bad rear vision? Weave constantly.

Granted, the Keypad view keys are not a very good layout; I re-mapped my views to the keyboard itself--G (front), H (left), J (down), K (up), L (right), and M (behind). This key setup is vastly superior and less cumbersome than the keypad settings. Plus that leaves the HAT open for trim.

I haven't been bounced even ONCE so far this tour in the MA, not even in the largest furballs. I think I got bounced exactly once last tour and I got bounced last week in the CT once because I was just messing around and not actually trying to maintain SA.

Here's some advice--ALWAYS "rubberneck". Never assume that the skies are safe just because there's a lot of friendlies around; never assume that a "CAP" is being effective until you see for yourself. In other words, never assume anything and always scan every inch of the sky.

The other teammates may not have your level of skill, or they might have a different goal, or they might be busy in a fight, or they just might not feel like lifting a finger to warn you. That's not being rude gentlemen, that's the reality of the MA and no amount of complaining will ever change that. Rely only upon yourself and those people you KNOW you can trust--and just fly as if the rest of your teammates simply aren't there.

I too appreciate the rare 6 call that saves my butt.....however, if you're constantly in need of them, you need to work on your SA. The ability to monitor your situation without needing to rely upon teammates is a fundamental skill that is absolutely necessary in the MA.

I don't give 6 calls; I assume the people I am flying with can watch their own tail. When a wingy needs his 6 cleared though, I'm right there.

J_A_B

Manxer · « **Reply #51 on:** January 22, 2002, 12:53:28 PM »

As posted by hangtime: J.A.B. Manxer, Doberman and thier ilk , happily vulching the field you deacked for them not 4 min before see the baddie settin up on yer six but are too far off to affect the outcome, and don't believe in 6 calls.

My rebuttal: I personally believe in six calls and give them out as often as I can. If you feel a need to pick an argument with me without even knowing me feel free and fight away. I'll see you in the arena. My statement was that JAB is rarely in need of a six call in furballs, he fly's quite smart and has been very helpful to me when I need someone to clear my six. With my squad we do as much as possible to help our teammates out, often flying in spots other squads don't want to defend. I hope the rest of the knights can vouch for this, or we've got some work to do on our team play. You seem to have a "soap box" attitude with people who don't agree 100% with you Hangtime, but I'll let you have that character flaw. Maybe you should just go back and re-read my post, and then you'll actually understand what I was saying.

Have fun.

Manxer · « **Reply #52 on:** January 22, 2002, 12:58:07 PM »

Just so you don't have to go too far back in the post to generate a muddled response to my post above, here's a recap of my statements earlier.

"I've winged with Jab for a few years now and I can honestly say that he seldom if ever requires a six call. If he dosen't get warning of impending doom, he's rather stoic and dosen't get too upset knowing you did what you could to help him out in the present situation. He's a good wingman, and I seldom find myself in trouble because of something he's done.

You may not agree with what he says, but to be honest there are times when I'm tied up in a furball with multiple bog's I obviously know are there and are bombarded with 6 calls. A well placed one is a good thing, too many in obvious situations is horrible. It seems that the ones I need, are never the ones I get.

How a 6 call should be used is up to everyone's own opinion, and Jab is surely allowed his just as everyone else is allowed theirs."

I don't personally see how this was such a slam on you personally Hangtime. I would find it interesting to see how you formulated my opinion though.

muckmaw · « **Reply #53 on:** January 22, 2002, 01:10:22 PM »

As a bomber pilot, I get knocked down most of the time while looking down my bombsight.

I can't count how many times 6 calls have saved my ass!

Now someone may say "You should not have gotten yourself in that situation, etc....your problem"

Bullsh*t.

I rely on my squad, and my country to cover my ass, when I'm doing my job. I do the same. If you don't want my 6 calls...do what JAB does...Delete the .Wav file. It takes nothing to give a 6 call.

As for the countless knights who've gotten me to my tailgun in time to paste a bog...Thanks for the Check 6 guys!

~~Keep em coming! I, for one, appreciate them.~~

Hangtime · « **Reply #54 on:** January 22, 2002, 01:13:02 PM »

Gee Manxer, sorry i got you mixed up with the guy that 'does not believe in giving 6 calls'.. you know.. the B.A.B.O.O.N. guy that likes gettin the one call in in 10 himself that helps, but has no intrest in anybody else's game but his.

Or were you defending somebody else?

No.. nobody here has a 'right' to a six call, nobody here said they did. They did say it would be nice to get one, JAB barks roadkill and thats what started it. Hey, if you wanna wing with this jerk, or defend him, fine by me, no skin off my donut; yah know?

I tend to be a mite more choosy about the guys I fly with.

In any case, if you 'believe' that a six call is a reasonable courtesy when it seems appropriate, I aplogize for my slander of your good name. I will not apologize to JAB for pointing out he's a freakin donutwood monkey-butt furballin hugahunk dipshit for barking the line of toejam he's barking. Of course, it's just my opinion he's not worth the sweat off may balls at this point; but hey, it's only an opinion; I could be wrong.

Manxer · « **Reply #55 on:** January 22, 2002, 01:27:48 PM »

And your opinions are of people you don't even know. Keep up the good work, perhaps you can move to the other side of the analysts chair eventually. I've yet to see one person who JAB has let down post that he's done it yet. I think the initial poster in this thread was just whining, and should take a visit to the other teams in the game so that he can post here again in two months whining about them. I tend to think that was the point JAB was trying to make through this whole screwed up post that you've decided to take in as your own foster cause was that nobody should "expect" a six call, because some people aren't necessarily paying attention to what the hell the guy is doing.

I'm not defending JAB, just defending that he has the right to an opinion.

Manxer · « **Reply #56 on:** January 22, 2002, 01:32:58 PM »

I do agree that I'm not "choosey" with who I wing with. I'm no better than anyone in this game (in most cases I'm not as good), so what would give me a right to act like an elitest? Even in AW where I was considered fairly good, I didn't make the "choices" that you do. I've winged with good people, and amazinhunks before...which just goes to show that I would probably wing with you if you ever ventured over to Knights. Of course, that is only if I was considered "good" enough to have the privaledge to fly with the the self proclaimed king of the rightious causes.

Manxer · « **Reply #57 on:** January 22, 2002, 01:34:12 PM »

Sorry, just noticed I was near 40 posts and had to sneak another in here to make it an even number

Zippatuh · « **Reply #58 on:** January 22, 2002, 01:38:30 PM »

J_A_B, would you mind sending me the author to the “Everything Always Work’s this Way” book? I’d appreciate it. I’ve been looking for it but seems you may have the only copy. I understand it was sitting next to “Great Stock Tips that Never Fail” and “Predict the Weather with 100% Accuracy”. All three very hard books to find.

Oh, and thanks for the tips on the view system and what not. I had no idea you could actually look somewhere besides the front. Whew

Zippatuh

J_A_B · « **Reply #59 on:** January 22, 2002, 01:55:14 PM »

Hangtime....uh, actually, you started the pure BS in this thread with your rant about how your teammates didn't save your butt when you were in a low slow Mossie. I responded with an explination of the fact that I'm under no obligation to help you and probably aren't paying attention to you anyway.

Zipp---are you stalking me or something? How did you know where to find my Tips book? I've been looking for it! I better change my locks!

J_A_B