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Offline Kieran

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« Reply #90 on: December 16, 2002, 06:16:59 AM »
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do you have a short attention span or a reading comprehension problem?


My point is you have no proof Thurmond ever lynched anyone, but you don't let that stop you from making innuendo. I could just as easily say Jesse Jackson ate kids. After all, I don't need proof.


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In this thread, it appears that Shuckins thinks this is no big deal at all. I can only assume he is white.


Racist.

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« Reply #91 on: December 16, 2002, 06:36:07 AM »
At least in the movie, GS Patton gets in trouble for saying,"As it is the evident destiny for the British and Americans to rule the post-war world,...." leaving out the contribution of the Soviet Union.

He then explains, "I was just trying to be nice to the old ladies"

Trent lott is now being reported by the media as saying something that supported segregation when he did not, he was just trying to say something nice about an old man.  

The old man supported segregation 50 years ago, and has since repudiated that stance.  20 years ago, the old man was still an old man of 80, and I believe that the same innocent motivation was in Lott's mind, when he said a similar (politically stupid)statement.

I think that Patton would have empathized with Lott.

This has been blown way out of proportion. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #92 on: December 16, 2002, 08:56:37 AM »
Thanks Kieran for the support.


Erlkonig,

Actually, I'm part white, part Cherokee, and part coon-ass.  I spent the early years of my child-hood living on the "wrong-side of the tracks" in a small south-east Arkansas town.  My family lived in a three room apartment that had been patched onto the back of a small grocery-store.  There were so many Black patrons of our store that I thought there was something wrong with our family.  

My father never joined a political party...but he is an ardent supporter of the Democrats.  So is my mother.  Their support stems from growing up during the Great Depression.  Their association with Blacks is deep rooted and sympathetic.  

Having grown up during the 1960s I remember well the struggle for civil rights, although I didn't fully understand it.  There was definitely racism in my home town, but never once did I see a Klan march, or a lynching, but I did hear the word cupcake bandied about quite freely.  The attitudes of the white community toward Blacks could be summed up in how that epithet was used.  The most virulent racists would use it thusly, "Them damn cupcakeS!"  Whites who were human beings would use it in this manner;  "Them cupcakes is sho havin' a tough time."

People of that era opposed segregation for many reasons.  There were many different levels of racism.  There were many decent people who opposed it out of the simplistic, heartfelt belief that it was wrong to mix the races.  They felt that whites and blacks were never meant to mix in the schools, or churches, or public places.  

If you were raised in more modern times than I was, then you cannot possibly understand this idea.  Flawed it certainly was.  But you are wrong when you state that all those who opposed segregation were vicious, race-baiting Klansmen.

I don't know if Lott is a hard-core racist, or one of those who honestly believed it was wrong.  I do know that he was very young at the time Strom Thurmond ran for president.  People can change.  

Can you forgive and forget?  Can you give him the benefit of the doubt?  Can you assume that he was just paying an old Republican fart an off-the-cuff compliment?

Or are you just trying to make political hay out of a faux-pas?

Regards, Shuckins

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« Reply #93 on: December 16, 2002, 10:32:29 AM »
it's sorta funny that this off the cuff in a roast-type context this remark was made - IS the best thing the dems can throw up against the party which killed their collective arses just over a month ago ...

can you say DESPERATE ? :)
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« Reply #94 on: December 16, 2002, 10:45:03 AM »
Kinda like spending 100 million dollars over 8 years of investigation and coming up with a blowjob and a dirty dress.

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« Reply #95 on: December 16, 2002, 10:45:50 AM »
Nickles become a dem?

He's the one calling the loudest for that white trash cracker to step down.

I suppose you think he's unpatriotic since he's hacking a republiscammer ehh eagler?  :p

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« Reply #96 on: December 16, 2002, 11:32:39 AM »
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Nickles become a dem?

He's the one calling the loudest for that white trash cracker to step down.

I suppose you think he's unpatriotic since he's hacking a republiscammer ehh eagler?  :p


hehe
#2 guy wants #1 guy removed, wonder why ???

I'm all for lott to step aside allowing a more conservative republican to take his spot. not for lott to quit after being made to step down, his replacement be a dumbacrat picked by a dumbacrat gov making it 50/50.
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« Reply #97 on: December 16, 2002, 12:32:05 PM »
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My point is you have no proof Thurmond ever lynched anyone, but you don't let that stop you from making innuendo. I could just as easily say Jesse Jackson ate kids. After all, I don't need proof.


maybe not, but i still think strom has a greater liklihood - he has a history of hating negroes during the era in which lynchings were common.  jesse jackson has no history of baby hating or obesity & they havent been a common entee (AFAIK) for quite some time, if ever.

Patton (@least the one from the movie) would have hated lott, as he hated monty(@least the one from the movie) .  both are/were (@least the one from the movie) disingenous primadonas

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« Reply #98 on: December 16, 2002, 06:07:09 PM »
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Racist.


Touché! :rolleyes:

Shuckins, I am well aware that there were varying degrees of opposition to de-segregation.  I also agree that people can change - and as far as I have seen, Thurmond is one of those people.  However, as far as Lott is concerned, there is a history of "faux pas".  I cannot accept the cop-out that he was just paying his respects, his choice of words (that we wouldn't have "all these problems" if we had voted for a man whose platform was exclusively opposed to black civil rights) betrays more than that in my mind.

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« Reply #99 on: December 17, 2002, 04:20:09 AM »
Lott said this on Black Entertainment blah blah:

"But Lott said he conceded that he "absolutely" understood that Thurmond had personified support for segregation"

So he knew, and he still made a comment. Twice. No mistake about it.

Eagler, for me it ain't about dems vs reps, but rather about a dude that isn't very good at his job, has damaged his organisation, is prone to say stupid things and can be replaced by someone better.

Simple as that.

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« Reply #100 on: December 17, 2002, 07:24:56 AM »
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Eagler, for me it ain't about dems vs reps, but rather about a dude that isn't very good at his job, has damaged his organisation, is prone to say stupid things and can be replaced by someone better.

Simple as that.


wish it was about that .. but it ain't

all politics ... how does lotts view mean anything? you think he makes policy? say he's a david duke - which he aint, think his views would count for anything?

the guy gives me the creeps, always has, but to use this as a means to unthrone him is pure politics on both sdes as I think just as many reps want him to step down but not quit as the dems do <- they hope he quits
dems using this to demonized the entire Republican party - politics

why was the story of the dem using the N-word two day news and this just keeps growing and growing? politics - simple as that.
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« Reply #101 on: December 17, 2002, 09:57:04 AM »
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why was the story of the dem using the N-word two day news and this just keeps growing and growing? politics - simple as that.
Eagler


I assume you're refering to Sen. Byrd - W.V. While he's a strong figure in the Democratic party, he doesn't lead the party like Lott. There is a significant difference there. Like it or not, a leader is seen to be the chosen one that best represents and promotes the values of the party -- whether it's realistic or not.

Also, the incident was poorly handled by Lott, which gives this an extended life. Granted, it's hard to see how the event could have been spun any better, since there is no easy... "I meant to say..." given the specific words he used at the party. FWIW his hair has also creeped me out.

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