Is the real problem a lack of an RR arena?

[Maniac]

Best idea so far blutik

[Tilt]

Originally posted by K West
The lack of RR arenas is not the problem. People lacking self control and behaving the way they do is.
 
  Westy

This is the essence of it all IMHO

We all have differing standards of what is and is not acceptable behaviour even if most of us operate under a common "code". Like wise we all live up to our standards  differently at different times.

So does RR draw people of differring  (lower) standards of courtesy. Folks who will exercise their rights to free speach and beyond even when it  may spoil the enjoyment of others.

Well in my experience the answer is .............. sadly
...............yes........... .............. still a minority but certainly a vocal one.

We can draw all sorts of  conclusions (trying to link ones sim abilities with other personality traits) but it makes no difference to the actuality.

The MA whilst having the odd unpleasant experience will police its self. Create an arena where the self policing is different (higher or lower.. less or more strict) and the level of courtesy will also be different. The risk is then run that it (the other arena) is known for its level of courtesy and not its standard of game play.

I have seen this elswhere in reverse... I can remember an  FR FT where novice pilots were treated far less than courteously and made to feel most unwelcome by a core group of elitist pilots.

In my opinion creating RR / FR formats (in separate arenas) is divisional and weakens the community. From a business footing if I were HTC now I would not do it.

May be when the servers are supporting  a couple of thousand flyers at a time maybe...................

In the meantime we can all squelch which ever player thinks less of others enjoyment than perhaps he should.


Tilt

[faminz]

Originally posted by Tumor


Why yes!!  I knew I knew your name from somewhere.  Pearl?...you didn't go on that retarded "dive a kate straight down from 30k level and launch torpedo" mission with me didja??  Heheh...it was almost as fun as it was dumb...but...it worked eh?? lol.

yep, that was me... and it was fun and very memorable....

[popeye]

First let me say that I always squelch channel 1 and channel 6, to keep the readio traffic managable.  I rarely see much on the country channel that I find offensive, and when I do, it is pretty simple to squelch the offender.  (I squelch people more often for filling up the buffer with "chat" than for offensive language.)

I guess I don't see a big problem here.

[Dago]

LOL  I love stirring up the rif raf.  

Dago

[Reschke]

I say we need permanent squelch capability within the program that is located server side. It might be to hard to make happen but I don't think it should really be that hard to implement.

[Tjay]

A few thoughts...

Is there actually an AH community?

If so, would it really be such a bad thing to separate those who are looking for an online arcade air combat game (and thus more likely to have arcade standards of behaviour) from those looking for a more realistic military combat simulation?

 If we all support the idea of HiTec making a reasonable profit, wouldn't a RR arena do that by catering for those who come into AH and find it too hard - or too serious - and leave to play something else?

Westy put his finger on it, IMHO. It's not to do with money, it's all to do with behaviour. It's a nice idea that leading by example will educate the rif-raf and lead to higher standards, but I think it's a utopian vision in our present culture of instant gratification, absolute rights and not responsibilities.

[samu1]

Maybe this is just me being stupid, but why don't u just ignore them?? If they wanna shoot their mouths off, let them do it, and just concentrate on not getting ur arse shot off by superior Bish pilots

Sam

[lucky]

I enjoy the banter & retards calling each other names ,its pretty intertaining

Xaqut1

[K West]

"wouldn't a RR arena do that"

 No. As proven by AW. I'd much rather a whole seperate product than a forced mixing of what would be essentially two different games and communities. Each feeling like the bastard step child and accusing the parents of preferential treatment towards the other. With two distinct products there can be seperate communities.

And I'd like to recommend  the name "Crimson High" by HTC!    

 It not only has a strong connotation of "high school" all over it (and folks won't be so surprised by the juevinile jibber jabber they see) but it also sounds  much like the name of that 1930 ish fantasy flight game by MS a couple of years ago with that yanky-banky gravity-free type of FM.  
 
  Westy

[Sox62]

Originally posted by mrsid2
There is no need for a RR arena. The kids from AW will adapt and learn the new model.

If they won't, they're better off playing arcade boxed sims offline. That is, because in the end it's all about player skill not realism rate and the better player will always shoot them down online.

 Just out of curiosity,what's with all the animosity toward ex AW's?
This AW "kiddie" has played AW for over eight years,both RR and FR,and now I'm playing Aces High since AW died.
 I see all sorts of hostility towards us that seems to be unwarranted.It seems like some feel that anyone who played AW is a lower form of life.
 As for a RR arena,I agree-no way.Who needs an arena where "certain planes"(not gonna start a plane flame war,lol)can make a 9g non e-bleeding reversal?

[Vortex]

Peoples conduct, imo, has nothing to do with what their preference is, either RR or FR. I recall beta testing the original FT (was called Full Time back then as that was the first "realism" effect that had to be tested) arena in AW when we first tried to make the move out of the half-speed, no realism, world that was AW pre-SVGA. The SVGA boxed set brought the full time, full realism abilities although it took some time before they made their way into an arena format.

AW ran the HT (Half Time) and FT arena's (the FT gradually became "full realism" as other effects were enabled such as blackouts, spins, etc) following that and there were jerks to be found in either locale. Granted, the numbers were a lot smaller then but it was simply a matter of degrees.

Also worth noting this all took place while AW was still on GEnie, and you were charged $6.00/hr to play plus $30.00 a month above that if I recall right. Again, a small community but proportionately I don't think there were any fewer mouth pieces there than here. Mind you it was much easier to police due to the small numbers. Point being though, from my experience anyway, the amount you charge or the room you corral folks into isn't going to change their nature.

Vortex

[Saurdaukar]

I must admit that I was opposed to a RR arena until recently.  The quality of the game community has indeed fallen sharply in recent months and I point to the closing of AW as the reason.  Im an old AW'er myself and having showed up at AH about 6 months ago, I found this game to be very different.  The vast majority of the people are mature and you rarely heard any whining - and in addition - NO MACROS!!  I remember when Socrates first showed up (LOL, now your FAMOUS!!!) and it was a shock to people that someone would make the effort to squeak until he was blue in the face about how there is no way that a Spit can outturn a 190D9.    I dont think Im alone in feeling that the quality of the community has dropped, but sadly I might be the only one who realizes that this peoblem really cant be fixed.  A RR arena might come close - but your not really garaunteed to have all the lesser personalities in that arena, just the lesser sticks.  The only thing IMHO that will curb this is time - sooner or later those individuals lacking behavioral quality will realize that it really isnt cool after all to whine and cuss when you get shot down and call the stick a cheater and moan about lag... everyone has the same issues and hey... maybe your NOT the best pilot in the arena.  Im planning on trying out the CT myself this upcoming tour, well see if its any different in there.

          "Mazz"
<--The Flying Circus-->

[akak]

Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I must admit that I was opposed to a RR arena until recently.  The quality of the game community has indeed fallen sharply in recent months and I point to the closing of AW as the reason.  
          "Mazz"
<--The Flying Circus-->

Are you trying to tell us that before we ex-AW'ers came along, there was no whiners in AH?  That's B.S. and you very well know it, like I said in an earlier post, some of the biggest whiners in the game are from these so-called "AH Vets".  I think part of the problem is that these "AH Vets" are quickly finding themselves on the lower rungs of the food chain now, especially since the average ex-AW pilot has more years under their belts then most of the "AH Vets" and are starting to get the kills to prove it.

[Silat]

Game ops and a dedicated training corp is the glue that will bring the community together. It doesnt exist now and in my opinion that is the main reason for the "decline of civilization" in the game.

It isnt just in the MA by the way.