Is the real problem a lack of an RR arena?

[Saurdaukar]

Pointing to AW as the reason for this decline in community is not designed as an insult - after all, I would be insulting myself.  In fact, the recent influx of members care of the closing of AW has brought whatever changes have occured in recent months, however you wish to define it.  AH'ers had a freindly rivalry with the AW'ers when they arrived until (and I speak from experience) the majority of AW'ers, most of whom I knew, like or dislike, began spitting out comments along the lines of "This game sucks"  "This isnt as good as AW"  and my personal favorite "What did HiTech do to MY PJ!!"  Well - after explaining that if the game sucks - leave - if it isnt as good - sorry - and its not a PJ - read, the BS remarks continue.  Now granted - I met and have maintained many freinds from AW, all of them good people, but the arrogance of the most "vocal" of the bunch is enough to give the group as a whole a bad name.  It needs to be understood that the individuals who play AH are fiercely loyal to the product that HTC has put out because of its humble beginnings and to have it directly insulted usually does not broke favorable responses.  The fact remains that the two games form different mentalities about what the game itself should be, and as a result, different communities.  The central issue is the personality of the member.  Arrogance has no place in AH, it was commonplace in AW.  I lost mine quickly when I arrived, the comment I made about time, as opposed to a RR arena fixing the community issue, is directly related to this arument.  In response to your statement about many of the "AH Vets" whining - in fact you are correct, I could make a list of 5 or 6 people I absolutely cannot stand, but I think the fact that the recent influx of "new" sticks to the community has resulted in a list of whiners, immature children and adults, and ego manicas far too long for publication.  Where did they come from...?

Mazz
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[Durr]

I have been flying AH since last summer, and I agree that it is quite different now then when I first joined.  I dont blame AW though.

 I think the real truth of the matter is quite basic.  There is a certain percentage of the population that are going to be buttholes.  Lets just say its 1 out of every 25 or so.  Well in the old days, there might have only been one or two on at any given time.  With nearly 500 people playing these days, there would be like 20 idiots at once.  Also, the actions of a few make a disproportionately large impact.  Study the chat buffer next time you are in the MA.  You will see that there are about maybe 10 people that are causing most of the problems.  It seems like more because these people make so much noise, but actually its just a few.

 The bottom line is, with more people here in total, we are going to have more problem people.  Its the old 10/90 rule.  Less than 10% of the people cause more than 90% of the problems.  Really nothing that can be done about it.  The only thing to do is just squelch them and ignore them.  They will eventually go away if they realize that nobody is paying them attention.  Its like when a baby cries sometimes.  Ive 2 year olds stop crying when they thought that nobody could hear them, its all a play for attention many times.  Other times its just a defective personality showing through.  Either way, its silly to let somebody else ruin your good time, just ignore them.

[Kweassa]

What 'problem' ?

 This is just plain math.

 Fewer average number of players in prime time, fewer number of tards. More average number of players in prime time, more number of tards. The bigger the soup pot, the more roaches fall in.

 I expect we'll soon have detardization functions available from HTC, such as neat-o Perma-Squelch.

 Until then, not much choice other than to live with the smell.

[born2flie]

Speaking as an RR Air Warrior....who needs RR in AH? The FM is infinitely easier to adjust to than AW's FR, which wasn't that hard in the first place, just disconcerting for the first few days.

AH is not AW and as soon as AW'ers like myself discover it, we'll stop asking for things that were in AW and get about to figuring what this game is all about and taking over  In the meantime, all you *oldhead* Aces need to just tune out the whining and stop adding to it with your own whining.

HTC knows what they're doing. They know what their vision for the game is and, to a certain extent, they're willing to let us all contribute ideas on how to make the game better. Just figure this out, and soon; YOU don't get to choose who belongs to the community, *IT* does.

[Grizzly]

I'm probably going to upset some folks here, but I think it needs be said. IMHO, the problem is not the immature and offensive players, it's those who think they have some sort of claim to this game and set themselves above others. Get a clue here, HTC is a business looking for customers. The AW crowd was a boon for HTC, and other new players is the objective not an objection.

Some claim somehow that AH has gone downhill since the new players came. Well I happen to remember terrific battles and cursing going on every night. I have seen more than one so called AH vet being banned for his conduct (the last of which was against a female player from AW). AH has never been short of trouble makers, cheats and complainers. If you use your head rather than your ego, you might understand that as more players join, you will hear more offensive things being said. It's normal for this type of game and not indicative of RR players from AW. If you can't take it I suggest flying MsFS.

You all like this game? You like HTC? You want it to continue? Then I say you best start cheering every time you see a new player. Instead of complaining because of what they say or do, try to do something to help them. Go back upthread and read what Mayhem said, he was spot one and has great advice (hiyas bud  =o).

And please, stop this nonesense about pricing folks out, creating a RR arena, and blaming people from AW. That kind of arrogant roadkill sucks worse than who you complain about. It ain't gonna happen, and this kind of garbage talk can only further divide the player base and lead to animosity. I came from AW and they were some of the best folks I've met online. Sorry I can't say the same for AH.

[muckmaw]

Although this may be oversimplistic, I have a ritual when I log in. I squelch channel 1. Then, I go through a short list of pilot on my country channel and squelch them as well.

A perma squelch list would be nice, but my system works just fine until this comes about.

As for a RR arena, as said earlier, you don't want to divide the community. I saw it happen in a quite different game: Ultima Online. When all the little squeaks starting comlaining about PKs, UO created a second shard where Pking was impossible. The community was divided. Guilds were destroyed, and the population shrank. NOw UO is made of people who spend all their online time killing the same weak monsters over and over again, and decorating their little castles. There's no danger, and very little skill required. No challenge= an unplayable game. I sold my account a year ago
AH has such great attributes, that a lack of a RR will not drive most away. They wll adapt, as I did (ex-AW RR pilot) and fly on. If they find it too hard, they'll move on and that's that. AH will do nothing but grow going forward, without a RR.

[Grimm]

Did you ever wonder why Golf is played in a foursome??  Not a 470some.    Must be that Jerk Factor.   Small Group, less chance for a Jerk,  Large group = more jerks.  

Well, I bet everyone here voicing opinions or complaining will still be around when we have a 700 player MA.  

I like AH, and I like the way its evolving.  

[Drano]

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! This isn't AW and what worked in AW would NEVER work in AH. Get with it bud! Keeripes!  : )

               Drano



Sorry. I hadda!  : )

Originally posted by Silat
Game ops and a dedicated training corp is the glue that will bring the community together. It doesnt exist now and in my opinion that is the main reason for the "decline of civilization" in the game.

It isnt just in the MA by the way.

[Rotor]

All of yas crack me up.

[DamnedBuzzard]

A couple thoughts here:

The more people who play AH the better it is for all of us. HTC has a larger cash flow , more stuff gets done, ETC.

Some people (who have money to spend, see above) don't want realism like spins and blackouts.

How someone else wants to fly (with or without "realism") shouldn't concern the rest of us.

I don't know what the player limit is for a given arena but it is, in all probability, finite.

If the above is true, and I believe it is, then it would seem to make sense for HTC to create a no spin , no blackout, less realism arena  for several reasons.

I prefer realism. There is nothing finer than makin yer opponent spin and blowin his bellybutton away or makin him blackout and take th big dirt nap but that's not what everyone wants. Who am I, indeed who are you, to tell others that they must play the way you think the game should be played? And aren't you only cutting off yer nose to spite yer face when you do ?

[FT_Animal]

Originally posted by Grizzly
I'm probably going to upset some folks here, but I think it needs be said. IMHO, the problem is not the immature and offensive players, it's those who think they have some sort of claim to this game and set themselves above others. Get a clue here, HTC is a business looking for customers. The AW crowd was a boon for HTC, and other new players is the objective not an objection.

Some claim somehow that AH has gone downhill since the new players came. Well I happen to remember terrific battles and cursing going on every night. I have seen more than one so called AH vet being banned for his conduct (the last of which was against a female player from AW). AH has never been short of trouble makers, cheats and complainers. If you use your head rather than your ego, you might understand that as more players join, you will hear more offensive things being said. It's normal for this type of game and not indicative of RR players from AW. If you can't take it I suggest flying MsFS.

You all like this game? You like HTC? You want it to continue? Then I say you best start cheering every time you see a new player. Instead of complaining because of what they say or do, try to do something to help them. Go back upthread and read what Mayhem said, he was spot one and has great advice (hiyas bud  =o).

And please, stop this nonesense about pricing folks out, creating a RR arena, and blaming people from AW. That kind of arrogant roadkill sucks worse than who you complain about. It ain't gonna happen, and this kind of garbage talk can only further divide the player base and lead to animosity. I came from AW and they were some of the best folks I've met online. Sorry I can't say the same for AH.

"I love you man "

This is the voice of reason and always has been.

In AW I think we referred to having "Thick Skin".

What I am personally seeing here is the same attitude some folks deemed "FR Elitest" used in AW against RR types.

I am better therefore you must leave mentality.

Online Gaming, folks online gaming is what it is, it doesn't matter what game you go to, there will always be someone with testosterone overload and out of control.

Price has nothing to do with nothing, unless what you refer to is removing everyone  from the game but a choice few. Problem is who makes that "choice Few" list>?

Whinning about Whinners is  wellll,......... Whinning. If you want a sim where safisicated butler deleivers your messages to you censored the way you want it , called Geives. then you need to build your own sim and just let your close freinds fly it.

This rant can be seen on almost every game message board out there.

Yes I came from AW as well, 6-7 worth of AW. I was Game Staff, Game Tech and designed a few events among flight damage models etc... ANYWAY. We never kicked or gagged anyone unless it was a flat out personal attack. We had standards, not harsh standards, but we had enough to keep it to a minimum.

You have "Paying Customers" here, they have as much right to have fun in their own way as you or anyone else. As long as it's not a personal attack, among a few other things. Once you crossed the line you were dealt with swiftly, Zap your done.

You have people of all ages flying these online games you ***ARE*** going to have this, it just goes with the territory of online gaming. Grow thicker skin, stop being a baby.

If HTC wants to make money and continue to have a game they need to sell it to who ever wants to fly it. Personally HT doesn't like me, personally, there are reasons, but he doesn't, OTOH he doesn't stop me from flying *their* game either.

In all seriousness it can only be limited to an extent before they start losing money by limiting it to someone elses standards.

If they raise the price on it again, you will se many good people leave right along with the bad, what good does that do>? it just leaves you with less players and probably still have the same problem.

From what I see here, they don't run any arena staff, and that's too bad. When people know they can be punished for their behavior 90% of it goes away. I know when I announced myself in an arena as staff, everything got real quiet, everyone went back to just playing the game for the most part.

People have a right to squeak, people DO NOT have a right to personal attacks. This is the way "we" did it. Beleive it or not, there are a lot of emotions in the game, you have to let them vent and get it out sometimes. If there were no emotions in the game I'd venture to say the game is losing it's edge.

Again grow think skin so as a little pin salamander doesn't cause internal hemerraging. ;-)

Animal (FT)

[KdF]

Originally posted by Dago
LOL  I love stirring up the rif raf.  

Dago

You arrogant pissant. Who the Hades are you calling riff-raff? What Online flight-Sim did YOU start out on? Or did you just walk into Aces High and become a God? Raise the price to $30 or $40 dollars for what? So you and your Pin-Headed attitude can reighn supreme with your disposable income whilst the rest of us low-life , working class ex-AW`ers get shut out of your perfect world? I`m sorry...I thought I was flying Dale`s great Flight sim , Not Dago`s special place in cyberspace.

Maybe HT ought to make YOU a special arena and charge YOU $40 bucks a month....just so you can be such a happy camper without the rest of us low-rent , budget strapped ex-AW`ers around. And ya know what...you`ll be the ONLY one in there I bet!:mad:

Wish this was a NNTP board....so I could Kill-file this clown. I ain`t been so PO`ed about a response in a long time.

[Sox62]

Animal...well said.    

[Vortex]

Originally posted by KdF



Wish this was a NNTP board....so I could Kill-file this clown. I ain`t been so PO`ed about a response in a long time.

*sniffles* Amen. I miss Usenet. Web boards just plane suck, top to bottom.

Vortex

[Saurdaukar]

Methinks this is becoming entirely too personal...

Mazz