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Offline NUTTZ

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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2002, 07:12:15 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2002, 07:16:22 PM »
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Leviathan: What you said about two countries hitting one is absolutely true. It's a sad state of affairs especially when the two bigger countries hit the small one. That factor is what pushed me on this crusade originally, it happened too often and too easy.
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Why is it a sad state of affairs?  What I showed was two smaller countries hitting a larger one.  The larger country fielded 20% to 25% more players than either of the two other sides alone.  However, the Rooks and Knights combined outnumbered the Bishops by almost 30%.  By your logic, we should reward Rooks and Knights in this situation for having individually lower numbers despite the fact that the above scene shows that the fights are either even or favor the "outnumbered" side on both fronts.

You've solved nothing and created new problems.

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There is a clear logic to why things were like they were in your picture - the two smaller countries counter superior numbers of the leading country by concentrating power against it. If the numbers were not lopsided there's a good chance that the battle would have continued evenly between the countries.
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There's absolutely no guarantee of this, and even numbers have not led to even fights in the past.  If each side has an even number of players, and two sides concentrate their forces against one, you're looking at a 2 to 1 advantage on both fronts despite even numbers.  Your idea doesn't speak to this, nor does it speak to the situation posted in the picture earlier.

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However when the numbers are lopsided, as they usually are, the battle will never be even. Some country will always be hit beyond their ability to respond which leads to massive defeats by overpower, despair of the defender and a bad taste in general.
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Your suggestion changes nothing.  Even if it did, it'd be boring as hell.  Aces High isn't about affirmative action, it's about things like teamwork, overwhelming power, advantages, disadvantages, outnumbering, being outnumbered, and more.  I'd sure as toejam rather enjoy the luxury of ganging as well as the sting of being ganged than just playing the exact same scenario over and over again every day.

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At some point it seems futile to take off a field only to know that the fight will end up to a 4-1 situation and a certain death.


Relax and enjoy yourself.  I was the only plane to up from a field that was being torn apart by F4U-1Cs, Seafires, and more last night.  I was easily outnumbered 4 to 1... probably 8 to 1 at the end of it.  I also managed to kill three of them before buying it.  That was fun despite certain death.  Learn to make lemonade out of lemons, dude.

EDIT:  lemons out of lemonade?  I am a tard sometimes.

-- Todd/Leviathn
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« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2002, 07:57:47 PM »
Leviathn my gripe is because during my timezone rooks are almost 100% certainly being banged every time I log on..

If I stay awake untill 2-3 am then things even up pretty much.

I'm just tired to the present situation up to the point that I've stoped playing. Maybe I have AH burnout..
One thing is sure anyway; I'm not getting the same kind of fun out of this like I used to.

Purchasing 6 months in advance was a bad call - it feels like I need a break.

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« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2002, 08:05:47 PM »
scores just dont mean squat.

If you look at the scores of (IMO) the best fighter flyers they are often way outside the top 50 because they dont care about scores or they dont mind augering to grab goons.HP is also often misleading as some pilots shoot off excess loadouts for the weight saving, as in 190a5's.

do yourself a favour and dont worry too much about your rank.

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« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2002, 08:05:59 PM »
I like to work on my K/D and K/L, screw the point system. :p

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« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2002, 09:24:02 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2002, 09:28:31 PM »
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Oh, it seems that the outnumbered sides are ganging the poor, hapless Bishops.  It sure would be nice if more people would join Knights or Rooks to save them from the Bishop hordes.

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And that's precisely why no system giving the smallest country an advantage will succeed.  Often, the smallest two countries will turn on the largest -- nothing formal, just a natural desire to devote more resources to the more-threatened front.  How to compensate for that is unclear, at best.

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« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2002, 03:10:48 AM »
The only situation where it would help marginally is when the two BIGGER countries turn on the smaller..

That makes 4:1 battles and thats total dweebery on the part of the attackers. Milkruns, gangbangs..
In that situation even 2:1 looks pretty ok.

I can't count how many fields I've seen lost to milkrunners.

The system should work so that it calculates the amount of people on a country's borders attacking it, not only how many players a country has.. That way the country who is being banged would benefit from being the underdog.

Darbars on the country-owned sectors should reveal the situation easily even to the naked eye, not to mention what HT could do in order to calculate the real pressure.

I'm talking about situations like this where the milkrunners actually start a mission to take over a field that has no defenders knowing that the mission will have more players attacking than the defending country has defenders.

That one mission alone, let alone there's another whole country to push back.

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« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2002, 09:33:12 AM »
er sending less attackers than there are defenders results in....guess what mrsid?

failure and non capture.


overwhelming force is what war is all about.sheesh.

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« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2002, 09:52:17 AM »
Hazed I was talking about the situations when the enemy has enough people to attack an undefended field with more ppl than the whole defending country has total fighting..

That's called milkrunning and it's dweebish. You might aswell play offline then. The end result is the same - field capture and nobody there defending.

Sure it's a great tactic for the attacker.. They have superior numbers and can take fields at will. Does it require skill? No.
Is it fun? Can't say.. I'd guess taking over an empty field with only the ack opposing should be very boring.

So in the situation the defending country has no choice but to watch how the milkrunners take over field after another while the borders between the two biggest countries are empty - both ganging on the smallest one. That's FUN man.. real fun. Definately the kind of gameplay I came here for.

If you haven't tried protecting your land with 80:30 or worse odds, try it. It might be refreshing.