Author Topic: Explain Why the F4U-4 is a Perk Plane Again?? (HighValue) (Read 2179 times)

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #15 on:** January 29, 2002, 08:40:55 AM »

Verm, I've flown F4U4 mainly offline, never tried any real comparison test with it, but my impression is that this bird is superior to 190D9 in all and every category.
A normal F4U1D outdives, outturns and outzooms the 190D9, at hi speeds it also outrolls the Dora.

Wilbus · « **Reply #16 on:** January 29, 2002, 08:41:43 AM »

Overpriced yes, a mediocre plane, no.

All F4u's turn great, specially for Being E fighter, get one notch flap out and it turns (almost) on a dime.

Should be around 15 IMO, while the TA152 should be unperked, or maybe 5.

Don't come say the TA152 is good at high alt, spit 9's beat it as easy at 40k as they do at 4k.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #17 on:** January 29, 2002, 08:45:20 AM »

Its cost is too much. Make the Spit and LA7 a 5 perk ride, then lower the F4U-4 to 25, and you'll have parity.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #18 on:** January 29, 2002, 08:56:09 AM »

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Its cost is too much. Make the Spit and LA7 a 5 perk ride

where have I read something similar in the past??

I'll try it again, perk the spits!!

SpitV (Yep V)/ F4U4 / Yak9U / Typh 15 perks
SpitIX 10 perks
La7 / N1J2J 5 perks

Ok, ok, I'll be back to my lair in a sec ...

Ripsnort · « **Reply #19 on:** January 29, 2002, 09:12:49 AM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE

where have I read something similar in the past??

I'll try it again, perk the spits!!

SpitV (Yep V)/ F4U4 / Yak9U / Typh 15 perks
SpitIX 10 perks
La7 / N1J2J 5 perks

Ok, ok, I'll be back to my lair in a sec ...

You reverse that Spit V and Spit IX and I'll buy in.

Wilbus · « **Reply #20 on:** January 29, 2002, 11:10:03 AM »

Cc Rip, Spit 9 more dangerous, Atleast you can usually dive away from the SPit 5 and the Spit 5 doesn't out perform a TA152 at 40k.

Yak 9U the best fighter in the game although slightly week guns.

Vermillion · « **Reply #21 on:** January 29, 2002, 11:14:03 AM »

I never said it was a bad plane guys. And no its not mediocre either.

My point is that when compared to other "free" planes, its not worth its 60 point perk cost. To me, the F4U-4 is generally in the same class as the P-51D and the Fw190D9.

Mandoble, do some direct comparisons and look at the performance charts. The F4U-4 is better than the D9 at altitude, but down low the Dora is better (faster, better accel, and better climb). If your in a duel at medium altitude, its gonna come down to pilot quality.

Vermillion · « **Reply #22 on:** January 29, 2002, 11:17:57 AM »

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slightly week guns

Wilbus, while I totally agree that the Yak-9U is a joy to fly, this is a serious understatement.

The Yak-9U has the weakest gunset of all the late war fighters (the G10 has the 30mm option), and the smallest ammo load.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #23 on:** January 29, 2002, 11:42:50 AM »

Verm, I'll do some acceleration comparison tests at lo alt.
About the other two points, substained climb rate is, IMO, a secondary factor in combat, as well as top speed. Zoom climb, dive and acceleration are much more important. Not sure about acceleration at lo level, but F4U4 is better zoomer and diver for sure at any alt.

I insist about the spits, SpitV is better than IX. Same zoom climb, same amazing diving, same or almost same acceleration, but SpitV is much better turner.

Widewing · « **Reply #24 on:** January 29, 2002, 12:04:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
Cc Rip, Spit 9 more dangerous, Atleast you can usually dive away from the SPit 5 and the Spit 5 doesn't out perform a TA152 at 40k.

Yak 9U the best fighter in the game although slightly week guns.

Well, I don't know about that.....

I fly the SpitV on a regular basis. I know of one P-38L and one P-47D-25 that tried to dive away from my Spit from altitudes of 18 and 12K respectively. Both found themselves back in the tower almost immediately. I nearly ran over the P-38, who I believe pulled off his power to avoid going straight into the ground. The T-bolt started his dive at well under 200 mph, and was unable to pull away enough to save his bacon. Spitfires do not display especially good dive acceleration, but can attain remarkable dive speeds, allowing them to gain on virtually anything in a prolonged dive. They appear to be modeled with a very high critical Mach limit. I'm sure I saw a true AS of nearly 600 mph on one occasion. At the altitude I was at, this translates into just about Mach .85! That's cooking!

As to 40k in a Mk.V: I can't imagine ever needing to go that high. However, at 25k it's still very formidable.

Here's a good one. Last evening I was having some fun with a Mk.V. Having just left the area of A5, I headed back for gas and ammo. Shortly there after, my doorbell rings. Figuring I'm at a reasonably safe distance from the Bishes, I hit the X key and go answer the door. When I returned, I found myself in the tower!. Somebody got a freebie.

My regards,

Widewing

Wilbus · « **Reply #25 on:** January 29, 2002, 01:07:34 PM »

Verm, only difference between the G10 guns and YAK 9U guns is the ammo load, yes the G10 can mount a 30mm instead but it will have 60 rounds and a really sad trajectory. When it comes to guns, the Yak 9U is just as leathal as the 109 IMO.

With gondolas off of course, with them on the 109 looses its advantages.

Vermillion · « **Reply #26 on:** January 29, 2002, 01:35:44 PM »

Thats the point though Wilbus.

The G10 has its "big gun" options that were available too it, and that gives it the edge in firepower. Don't even play the "horrible trajectory of the 30mm makes it useless" arguement, because I know for a fact that many of the Luftwaffe pilots use the 30mm religiously. Plus even in the "default" loadout, it has more ammo than the Yak-9U. And lets not even mention the fact that with Gondola's the G10 is still faster and climbs better than the Yak-9U.

The Yak-9U does not have its big gun options. How is a Me109G10/R6 any different than a Yak-9UT (terminology wise, or varient wise)? Pyro still hasn't explained that one.

Regardless, my original post stands. The Yak-9U does not have "slightly weaker guns". It has the weakest guns of all the late war fighters. Show me one aircraft in Aces High of the late war planes, that has weaker guns and less ammo than the Yak-9U.

Enough on this issue, this thread is about the F4U-4

Wilbus · « **Reply #27 on:** January 29, 2002, 03:32:45 PM »

Don't agree with you on most of those points, use the 30mm sometimes, sometimes not.

But as you say, it's an F4u thread.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #28 on:** January 29, 2002, 03:34:02 PM »

The G10 really shouldnt have the 20mm gunpods option it was exceedingly rare on G10.

The 30mm is awesome but it takes time to learn, you never really aim your shots- it's more about feel when firing.

The F4U4 is a powerful plane, nuf said.

I dont know what you guys are doing wrong but I never had a Spitfire outdive me in any German plane even slower ones like the Bf109G6 and Fw190A5, in fact I almost dont care if Spits are a bit higher because I know I can outdive them if need be. I'll Just let Funked and his squad of Spitfires tell you about a chase all 6 of his Spit9s did of me in the old CT setup from 25K to the deck, they were higher than me and faster at start, it was close but I easily outdove all of them in my Bf109G6. In fact the Bf109G6 even outdives the Griffon powered Spit 14 until very high speeds are reached.

Sachs · « **Reply #29 on:** January 29, 2002, 05:09:44 PM »

Drop it lower say to 40 range, and drop the 152 down to a nice 10-15 as well. It isn't worth its weight in gold in there.