uncalled for

[AKDejaVu]

You wanna police it...read Pyro's post. He just gave us all the oppertunity.

We've always had the opportunity to "police it".  I think the gist of it boiled down to sending it to HTC as opposed to posting it here and generating a witch hunt.

Someone didn't like getting their chute shot... and responded.  Someone didn't like their response and responded.  The use of particular language doesn't merrit the repeating and/or additional display of the language.

I'm always amazed that people will repeat or continue to display stuff they found offensive to show just how offensive it is.

AKDejaVu

[rounder]

Sorry about that pipmjoe, I was a little heated at the time, just got done a good fight had 2 kills on board (which is rare for me) and the pony who got me could haved moved on. I am usually pretty quiet in the MA and I try to help new guys when I can I don't want a bad rep for 1 instance of foul language. Again I apologize to anyone I offended by saying that.

[Dago]

While its nice to be able to send HTC screenshots, I dont care to have to constantly be doing this.  I am not a babysitter, nor do I care for the role of tattletale.  I realize it probably needs to be done from time to time, but the few times I have bothered doing it, I have gotten no responce from HTC.  When I dont even get a note saying "thanks, we will look into it", I figure they dont care so why bother?

Frustration, thy name is Dago.  

[Apache]

Yeah, thats the way I see it too Dago. I don't sit at the traffic signal in my neighborhood and jot down license plate numbers of violaters. I figure I've paid what is required of me and I have a reasonable expectation that those with the authority to do so...will.

Having said that, the rules is da rules. I either live by em or, as the man says, turn the channel.

[K West]

"One thing I still can't understand is how using profanity and trying to insult and hurt someone else's feelings makes for a more enjoyable experience. I simply don't understand that logic and way of thinking. "

 Ditto. This behavior is not tolerated in the basketball games I get into nor is it in the softball and volleyball leagues I participate in. Just as like AH,  I participate (or have) for the competativeness with like minded people in those games.  No one is yelling derogatory remarks nor swearing at other players for thier gameplay.




  And to go off on a different tangent a bit about how some say  AH  (and online games) are just simply social meetings places. Well, like AH these other activites are not my social life, just a part of it. While it's nice to have some bantering no one's hollering out a political debate with another nor are they expounding on what  type of 'steely dan' one's female-dog-of-a-mother would be better off using after a home run goes over the fence.  Teams kick people off like that.  Leagues boot them.

 Simply put  AH is the reason we are here. It's not a convenient back drop to shooting the breeze and 'socialising' no matter how much some people claim it is.  This board is the social center. Not channel one or two.  Just as I have the phone, the pub or the dugout to talk with other players about anything I feel like in real life I also have AIM or Yahoo Messenger to do the same if I need to 'shoot the breeze'  instead of 'play' while logged onto AH.

 But feel free to banter on the channels. That's why we have the squelch feature imo.  However obscene vulgarity and being rude to the point of diruption is NOT banter and please do not confuse it as such.

  Westy

[J_A_B]

Ripsnort--

AH is not a child's game.  Most online games will not even allow little kids to play (it is actually against TOS in a lot of games for children under 12 to play); with ANY of them if you choose to allow your child to play, it's at your (his) own risk.   Being unhappy that AH may not be suitable for a 6-year-old is as odd as complaining that an R-rated movie is unsuitable for a 6-year-old.  

Westy--

I see your point, that we're here primarily to fly AH, but I think there's more to it.  The human factor is as much a part of AH as the flightsim is.  Without the human factor, AH is nothing more than an unrealistic flightsim modeling a fantasy war.  The flightsim might attract us, but it's the human interactionthat keeps us here.



I still don't understand what this recent "you all have to be nice to each other" crap is about.  Are you people really so sensitive that you can't handle a bit of trash-talking?  Perhaps, rather than fly an emotionally charged, tense game, you need to sit down and read some Dr. Seuss as it isn't as likely to offend your delicate sensibilities.  I've frequently seen comments on other messageboards that this game is full of yuppie whiners who can't handle any heat.  At least part of such comments seem accurate.

J_A_B

[Wilbus]

Well said banana, I am not a parent, and I don't intend to be either, I only stated that kids know alot more then the parents might think

Persoanlly I want all ages to be able to play the game and enjoy it without having to squelch 10% of everybody who is online.

[Wanker]

I still don't understand what this recent "you all have to be nice to each other" crap is about. Are you people really so sensitive that you can't handle a bit of trash-talking? Perhaps, rather than fly an emotionally charged, tense game, you need to sit down and read some Dr. Seuss as it isn't as likely to offend your delicate sensibilities. I've frequently seen comments on other messageboards that this game is full of yuppie whiners who can't handle any heat. At least part of such comments seem accurate.

JAB, I think you misunderstand my point. I like the social interaction in AH as much as you do, but the difference seems to be what kind of social interaction turns us on. You like the  "Go diddly your mama, you puss Spitdweeb" type of behavior, while I enjoy the "Good fight Westy! " type of behavior.

IMO being competitive while remaining a good sport is a much better mindset than seeing how many people you can bait or upset.

I don't think there's room for both in this game, and one way or the other HTC will have to decide who this game is intended for.

[fdiron]

I agree that it wasnt very nice for him to say that to you.  However I dont think he should have his account suspended  or anything of that nature.

[J_A_B]

Where I come from, the "go F--K you spitdweeb" IS being a good sport.  I hear stuff like that all the time, but it's always just someone blowing off steam and talking himself up a bit.  Nobody likes to lose.

If I am playing a game with friends and told them to "expect to lose and be HAPPY when you lose", if I did that I'd be a stuck-up jerk, well-meaning but stuck-up nonetheless.  

Personal threats are what crosses the line IMO.  If someone moves beyond the "you're just a chute shooting bastage" to the "I'm going to hunt you doen and beat your face in", then that's no longer blowing off steam, that's an individual taking things far too seriously.

J_A_B

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by banana
I think the real question here is what age of person is this game suitable for?

Those of us with children are responsible for deciding which games are appropriate for our children to participate in. I certainly wouldn't take young children to see an adult film that contains graphic sex, regardless of whether or not they already know about sex from the playground or from a talk with my wife and I. Just because they know about it doesn't mean that they are emotionally or psychologically able to understand it all. Same goes for a film or activity where profanity is used. While it is true that kids learn about profanity at an early age, my goal as a parent is to prevent them from using profanity as a tool to harm other people.

My goals as a parent may be different from yours. But as long as I'm playing this game and HTC values my opinion as a customer, then I'm going to argue that flagrant and continued use of profanity be severely dealt with. I'm not talking about the person who slips and accidently types out "Shit!" once in a while. I'm talking about the people who use profanity as the core of their vocabulary, or use it as a tool to provoke another person.

So getting back to my original question, what age is this game intended for?

I would hope that Aces High doesn't evolve into a game that is appropriate only for adults who can take a lot of verbal abuse. Personally, I would prefer that it remain a family game that can be played and enjoyed by young and old alike.

One thing I still can't understand is how using profanity and trying to insult and hurt someone else's feelings makes for a more enjoyable experience. I simply don't understand that logic and way of thinking.

I wish we could all be friends and give each other salutes after a fight, and gather around and give each other a big Barney hug at the end of the night.

Well said banana,


I have two daughters that I hope will develop an interest in AH.  I would like for them to be able to fly with their father and be exposed to the same respect and civilty that can be found in the vast majority of public places.

eskimo

[Wanker]

I see your point, JAB. It looks like we've just grown up in different environments. I'm not trying to make this a personal attack against you, as you seem to be eloquent in your (IMO misguided) defense of that type of behavior. But we certainly don't agree with how Aces High should develop from this point on.

For my sake, I hope my arguments sway HTC more than your's do.

[Ripsnort]

JAB:
I don't see any "R" rating on the HTC website, where is your facts and data claiming that this is not a childs game as well?

And what of the folks that are leaning over the shoulder of someone, while that someone is showing them AH? (See Gruns post, think it was Grun that had friends over, saw the text buffer, and was totally turned off by what they saw)What about them?  

AH is not just for adults, you know, I know it.  Its the LANGUAGE within it that gives it an R rating.  I realize that he's going to be exposed to this stuff...but does it really need to be at a place where one is suppose to get entertainment?  As banana said, the occasional "Shit" doesn't draw the bad vibes, its the "Suck my dick" stuff that needs to be muted by a sysops.

Good post banana!

[AKDejaVu]

The gentleman quoted above has started another thread apologizing.  I see no need to keep pushing this to the top to carry on ever branching discussions.

How about either removing the pics at the start of the post or starting another thread?  Does that seem reasonable?

AKDejaVu

[pimpjoe]

i agree djv. pics gone

oh and rip...that was nuttz:)