Author Topic: Suggestion for the Ta152 (Read 770 times)

Montezuma · « **Reply #30 on:** February 01, 2002, 01:52:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
150 TA152's were built and used in service, 200 F4U-1C's, not that many more so don't blame the numbers.Lower perk cost to maybe 10-15?

You are dreaming if you think 150 Ta152 were used in service. The NASM says only 67 were built, they should know since they have the only one. Other sources say most Ta 152Hs were destroyed on the ground by Allied air attacks while awaiting delivery, which is understandable since Germany was undergoing a severe bellybutton kicking at the time.

HTC already lowered the perk cost of the Ta-152 several times, it is fine now.

Vortex · « **Reply #31 on:** February 01, 2002, 02:25:03 PM »

I really don't think historic availability of a plane can come into play when determing perks. If it does, we _must_ perk every plane save one (whatever had the highest production numbers). Since the MA has absolutely no historical relevance or reference whatsoever, I think relative performance really should be the only criteria when determining perks.

Vortex

Wilbus · « **Reply #32 on:** February 01, 2002, 03:24:13 PM »

CC Vortex, not in the MA, should be performance or useage only.

minus · « **Reply #33 on:** February 01, 2002, 04:11:37 PM »

Vortex the last post is great sugestion like this other arenas get peopled with easy rides ,but for exapmle in CA the easy ride not got laser telemetry so even iron dog can chalange it

for MA performance perk isue is a great idea !

Wilbus · « **Reply #34 on:** February 01, 2002, 04:52:35 PM »

Actually, far more then 67 were built, not all saw action as you say, many were destroyed on the ground, but far more then 67 left the factory.

Toad · « **Reply #35 on:** February 02, 2002, 12:32:46 AM »

"Left the factory" is the new standard?

Not "engaged in combat", not "scored a victory", not "flew combat patrols", not "deployed operationally"? (Did I miss any?)

Hard to keep up these days.

Well if it's "left the factory" that' s it then.. until we change again.

Wilbus · « **Reply #36 on:** February 02, 2002, 05:39:08 AM »

Toad, Montezuma said 67 left the factory, wich would mean like 30 or so saw service since there were quite a few production modells.

IMO a plane must have seen service to be added, then in the MA; it should be perked because of performance or over use.

20xTa152H-0 left the factory and saw service, a good number of H-1 (the one we have, "major" production model) saw service, under different sub variants too. Not to count all prototypes (wich I don't count to legitimate AH planes) together with some other models.

Sikboy · « **Reply #37 on:** February 02, 2002, 09:41:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
Toad, Montezuma said 67 left the factory, wich would mean like 30 or so saw service since there were quite a few production modells.
IMO a plane must have seen service to be added, then in the MA; it should be perked because of performance or over use.

At least Monty provided a source. While I'm sure there are other sources, none have been provided. In case you were too lazy to check it out, here's a link
http://www.nasm.si.edu/nasm/aero/aircraft/focke_ta152.htm

Usually when you assert that some evidence is wrong, you counter with some other evidence. Just FYI

-Sikboy

Wilbus · « **Reply #38 on:** February 02, 2002, 10:17:16 AM »

Dind't see that link in his message, still don't so don't flame me sik.

Wilbus · « **Reply #39 on:** February 02, 2002, 10:26:37 AM »

Read threw it, still not sure about the numbers, will check it more.

There are misstakes in the text though, in one place it says the aluminum was exchanged to steel due to aluminum shortages, wich is not quite right. The longer tail plane and wings were heavier (specially in the H-1 Modell with a total of 200 liter fuel in each wing) and thus the weaker aluminum was exchanged to steel instead. There were some other things that caught my atention, will check up on it.

Sikboy · « **Reply #40 on:** February 02, 2002, 11:13:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
Dind't see that link in his message, still don't so don't flame me sik.

The link wasn't in his message, but the NASM citation was. And once again, while you claim that the information is incorrect, you don't provide anything to substantiate your claims. You could very well be right, but until I get some sort of verification, I have to trust the Smithsonian, as they are a very credible source in my estimation.

Toad · « **Reply #41 on:** February 02, 2002, 11:42:00 AM »

So "left the factory" is only a red herring? Really doesn't mean anything?

How do we define "saw service"? Just trying to keep up with the debate.

As for my personal view for inclusion, my "ideal" is "operationally deployed". By that I mean deployed in at least squadron strength in "combat ready" status (included in the air order of battle), with a full roster of trained pilots (normally more pilots than planes) and supported by the maintenance/logistics system. That's what I would use for inclusion. YMMV.

Also, I wouldn't perk anything.. not even the 262.

My signature block says it all.

Who am I to tell you how to enjoy yourself?

Sikboy · « **Reply #42 on:** February 02, 2002, 01:15:42 PM »

Wow Toad I never would have pegged you as a libertarian

Toad · « **Reply #43 on:** February 02, 2002, 02:29:40 PM »

There's a lot less to me than actually meets the eye.

You have to really dig to get to the incredibly shallow me.

Pongo · « **Reply #44 on:** February 02, 2002, 04:43:35 PM »

Karnak, I agree with your assesment of Dora vs Typhoon with one exeption. The ability to hit at longer ranges is a huge asset in this game. And in that area the typhoon blows past the D9 in usefullness for the avarage pilot. I know the 2 151s on the Dora will kill very easy when they hit, But most people will hit alot more and alot fartherout whith the battery on the Typhy.
It is a better shooting platform as well(I think). That alone makes me say inspite of aggreeing with all that you say, that the Typhy is better in the MA by quite a bit. Hence its increased useage(by observation not stat checking)