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Offline Toad

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« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2002, 06:13:04 PM »
Hey, HT.

Time to put up "Billy Connolly 'We want some of that, more of this, all of that, none of that, less of this, and most of the other...' sound file.

If it had it, if it was deployed and used operationally... sure, you betcha! Put it in.

Please just accept that there are 1,954,321 things left to model yet and that doesn't include the gameplay items.

Peace, grasshoppers. It just keeps getting better.
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« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2002, 07:26:19 PM »
Call me crazy but, wouldn't it make sense to fix what is already here then move forward?  Would I be happy if they added 2 250 kg's on F8/A8 for loadout?  Yup, better then what we have.  And is it really that much harder to add?  Not really I have dealt with coding and yes coding in games as well.  (search for Close Combat III the Russian Front, my name is at the top as lead designer and developer).  If it takes that much longer to add new rockets/loadouts, ok then don't but change it to carry 2 more heavier bombs, would that be hard?  Not really IMO.
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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2002, 08:18:08 PM »
Here's an idea.. instead of all this hand-wringing and idle speculation pick up your telephone and call HTC.

Ask THEM how long until you get what you want on the FW and the reasons for the things that are bothering you.

Simple fix. They're great folks... give 'em a ring!

Oh, yeah.. then tell us what they said. ;)
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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2002, 08:43:31 PM »
The problem isn't that we have ill equiped LW aircraft... its that we have ill equiped LW pilots.

Oh well.. if their wifes are "ok" with that..

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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2002, 09:44:36 PM »
Just a question................ Has anyone thought of lobbying for the
HS-129? I don't think it carried bombs or rockets, but it's mix of MG,20mm, and 30mm cannon would give you fellas a tank busting orgy.:)
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« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2002, 09:56:36 PM »
Wilbus, it has 4 wingpoints. You need to go back and rework the 190F8 so that it has provisions for the 250kg load out in both the hangar options menu and to ensure the plane will load it. The weight for the pylons would also need to be adjusted because instead of 4, there are 2- but these two probably weigh more because they carry a much higher weight.

Without looking at HTC's code, I can't tell you if it's an easy fix or not. But since nothing has been done since the lobby began, oh 6+ months ago, I think it's suffice to say that it's either a) on the low priority list or b) a little more than just changing a bit here and a bit there.

Sachs, I'm assuming that since you said "fix" you are implying something is broken.

Indeed, what you want "fixed" is not broken.
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« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2002, 10:04:15 PM »
And just another shot in the dark, how time consuming is it?

This is a business, they get more customers and keep more customers by producing a product and on a consistent basis updating it with a lot of new things and fixing bugs these new things may or may not bring.

You don't keep people interested in a product if you let it out in the air to dry while you work on all the requests about adding this to that or spending your valuable devel time on going back to change something for a very small portion of your customer base.
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« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2002, 10:05:23 PM »
To put 250 kg bombs on the wings of the F-8 you need ETC 503 racks x 2, which is a totally different hardpoint than existing ETC 50 x 4.  

It's not clear if ETC 503 were used on F-8 in any quantity but they were used on the nearly identical Fw 190G-8 so it seems like a simple decision to add them.

The bombs are already in the game, so all they'd have to do is have the ETC 503 show up when you select bombs or drop tanks on the wings.  They already do something like this with the Typhoon rocket rails so I doubt it would be difficult to do for Fw 190F-8.

There are some authors who say that about 120 F-8 were produced with rocket racks.   There are some accounts of them being used in combat, and there are photos and drawings (search for my old post in the Aircraft forum) showing what they looked like and how they were attached.  The rockets had extremely short range but they were used in battle against the USSR.  HTC would have to build a new rocket model and new hardpoints on the F-8 for this.  Again there is already a precedent for this on the Typhoon.  

Should they do it?  Yeah if they have the time.  Few F-8 had rockets, and even fewer probably had ETC 503 on the wings, but it would be a fairly easy change and it would make the plane more fun and more useful in scenarios.

Will they do it?  I dunno.  They have already spent an incredible amount of time on 190 series development.  And the F-8 is pretty much a scenario plane, getting very little use in the MA.  So I don't know if they are willing to spend the time on it.
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« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2002, 10:18:26 PM »
BTW

Carrying 3 250 kg bombs on the 190 was an overload.  The plane needed a LOT of runway.  The only other planes in AH that are allowed to carry overloads like that are the Ju 88 and P-47D-30.
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« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2002, 12:00:51 AM »
see hazed's last post pls
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« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2002, 02:20:03 PM »
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Just curious, we have the F8 but is it really a Jabo?  It would be nice to be able to carry a little more ordinance to hit a base.  And we all know it carried more then what is listed in AH right now.  I am also for adding the attack category to the B-26, Ju-88 and TBM.  With the new 110 coming into play it will carry the same ordinance as a F8 so in essence we are not getting a true dedicated jabo.  Me-410 would have been a nice addition, (sigh) won't ever happen I am afraid.  KI-102 would have been a great choice for a new Jabo IMO.  Anyway, frustrated thats all.


You have one...it's called a Ju88.
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« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2002, 03:56:02 PM »
otter you dont read much eh?

ju88 is a bomber, has no forward guns to be of any use straffing and is a 1940 model with very low powered engines.

allied equivalent? b26 from 1942/43? b17 from 1944...mossie/p47/p38 etc all late war models.

however this post seems to have turned sour with all those that dont want 190s with their historical loadouts accusing those that are asking for them of the cardinal sin of greed for actually ASKING (heaven forbid) for them!.oooh we so bad. ;)

well if you read a post in aircraft and vehicles you will see pyro has posted that he is looking into some more loadout options on the 190s time permitting so thats all i needed to hear.Discussion closed for me :D


P.s funked if 3x 250 was overloaded? but its only 50kg more than whats on there now.
500+2x250kg you mean? but even then i think you are wrong as there was a varient (190F8/U3) fitted with TSA bomb sight for anti shipping strikes that carried a BT700 (1,543lb[700kg]) or the BT1400 (3,086lb [1400kg!]) weapon.

also the 190G-1 fighter-bomber was derived from the fw190a5, but carried a 3,968lb [1800kg!] bomb which necessitated strenthened landing gear: wingmounted armament was reduced to 2x mg151/20 cannon, and the junkers-designed wingracks accomodated 2 66-imp gal (300 litre) drop tanks.

so thats 1800kg + whatever 2x300litre DTs weigh and it wasnt overloaded.

3x250kg overloaded? I think bullsheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet :D.
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« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2002, 04:33:30 PM »
otter jabo = jagdbomber = fighter bomber

why dont you go read this thread again its only been stated clear as day twice.

again if you had read this thread you would also know that theres no attack option for the ju88 (as AG is asking for) so gvs kills dont get recorded.


again read the thread before you reply. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2002, 05:11:00 PM »
Here yah go Toad. ;)

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« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2002, 05:19:47 PM »
I guess the only "problem" I have with all the "requests" is that not all the ordinance asked for was available on any one model of the F8.   Least not from any of the sources I have been able to use.
F8/U3 carried a super large egg.......was it able to be fitted with all the other stuff that is requested?  If not, be specific as to what sub-type you are referring to when you make the requests.
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