Author Topic: Make the late war monster more rare!!! (Read 2034 times)

lazs · « **Reply #30 on:** March 11, 2001, 09:48:00 AM »

geeze... saying that it's allright for a newbie to get killed by a perk plane because... He woulda died anyway? Yeah... that'l make him feel a lot better. How's about this? why would anyone with skill wish to kill newbies with a perk ride? I say that it's bull. The perk system assures that the arena is unfair parity of olane wise, 100% of the time. The latest plane additions merely shift the war to late war and make the earlier planes useless..

How will they add new planes? Maybe a -4 Hog or 47n/m... but then the well is dry. If they added a spit one or FM2 or P40 or 109E where would it fly? The perk sytem is a ded end and unfair in the extreme. for me it's not only unfair but unfun. I don't care if I manage to catch and kill a perk ride when he makes a mistake or doesn't see me (the only way to really kill one) and I sure as hell will not fly em against lesser planes.. What's the point?

Wouldn't it be more fair... easier on the learning curve, less cumbersome and more balanced if we just allowed the very late war planes up in the last few days of every tour? But then some would have to give up their unfair advantage they "earned".
lazs

Fishu · « **Reply #31 on:** March 11, 2001, 10:09:00 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs:
Wouldn't it be more fair... easier on the learning curve, less cumbersome and more balanced if we just allowed the very late war planes up in the last few days of every tour? But then some would have to give up their unfair advantage they "earned".
lazs

Thats a great idea!
I am all for it.

lazs · « **Reply #32 on:** March 11, 2001, 10:16:00 AM »

thanks fishu plus.... it would allow everyone unlimited sorties during that time so that they could not only learn the plane but..... They would be learning the planes against planes of like abilities!!! What a concept!! A tempest pilot would run into other tempests and the RAF guys would get a chance at unlimited sorties in a plane that was very much a part of WWII...

Of course.... some of the vets would have to give up their unfair advantage and all the "respect" that entitled em to...
lazs

DmdStuB · « **Reply #33 on:** March 11, 2001, 10:26:00 AM »

This perk system seems to make the opposite happen from what happened in the real world. (at least with the axis pilots) As the more experienced pilots got killed flying the early war A/C, the new inexperienced replacement pilots would fly the newer A/C.
I like Lasz's idea. Iwould like to see that the perk planes dont show up until mid camp.

StuB

ra · « **Reply #34 on:** March 11, 2001, 10:46:00 AM »

Here's an alternative perk idea: Give everyone 140 perk points at the beginning of each tour. Perk all planes except for the C.202, 109F/G2/G6, and SpitV. Uber planes like the Tempest would cost 70 perk points, planes like the Chog and Niki about 15 points, planes like the Dhog and C.205 about 5 points, P-51 10 points. Every plane would fall into a perk point category based on how popular it was last tour. This way everyone starts the tour with enough perks to fly anything they want. If they squander their perks they end up with a SpitV or 109G6. As we start getting early war planes like the P-40, the supply of non-perked planes will increase. Buffs and tanks would be non-perked too.

ra

Westy · « **Reply #35 on:** March 11, 2001, 10:49:00 AM »

StuB? From about three, four years ago in AW BigWeek???

-Westy

Skysix1 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 11, 2001, 10:58:00 AM »

How about an arena with just late war fighters/bombers (or all the planes for that matter) so when your like me with little time to play you dont have to wait 2 weeks to fly planes your paying for?

Or maybe ditch the perks and make it so the older planes you fly will get you more points than the newer ones and if you kill a "better" plane with a "not so good" plane you get an even better point bonus?

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Chuck Perry
"Sky61"

Skysix1 · « **Reply #37 on:** March 11, 2001, 11:05:00 AM »

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Originally posted by ra:
Here's an alternative perk idea: Give everyone 140 perk points at the beginning of each tour. Perk all planes except for the C.202, 109F/G2/G6, and SpitV. Uber planes like the Tempest would cost 70 perk points, planes like the Chog and Niki about 15 points, planes like the Dhog and C.205 about 5 points, P-51 10 points. Every plane would fall into a perk point category based on how popular it was last tour. This way everyone starts the tour with enough perks to fly anything they want. If they squander their perks they end up with a SpitV or 109G6. As we start getting early war planes like the P-40, the supply of non-perked planes will increase. Buffs and tanks would be non-perked too.

ra

I like this Idea too. I just think that the amount of perks shold be alot lower like 25 -30 max. I am only getting an average of 1.5 perks per mission (4.5ish points was my best). Of course I am still kinda new in the main arena and I may not know the trick to bringing home big points. But I have been bombing every mission and I have been getting the AAA sites (at least 1-5 per mission) and Buildings (usually 1-2 per mission) all in a Ju88. I was told to use it to gain the points fast. I have 22 perk points and 18 missions (10 landed) in 9 hours.

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Chuck Perry
"Sky61"

lazs · « **Reply #38 on:** March 11, 2001, 11:35:00 AM »

the problem is an ageless one for flight sims. If you want late war planes in the game you either have to resign yourself to the fact that they will be the only planes in the game or you have to have some sort of restriction on em.

You can have a rolling plane set where they are not allowed for a certain length of time and make everyone unhappy some of the time or.... you can have seperate arenas and have one arena be deserted all of the time or... you can have an idiotic perk system and have the best pilots in the best planes clubbing the worst pilots in the worst planes all of the time with the very worst planes not being used at all.

Or... you can have seperate areas in the same arena where only early war planes can take off.

I have no interest in "earning" a perk plane in an otherwise balanced arena. I get no kick/sense of accomplishment outta clubbing baby seals with a perk plane and I disslike avoiding/dying by em just as much.
lazs

DmdStuB · « **Reply #39 on:** March 11, 2001, 12:26:00 PM »

Yes, I stopped flying altogether about 3 years ago and got hooked again after trying the 2 weeks free deal. It was tough canceling my AW account after doing it for 6 years, but I just had too much going on in real life. It sure is tough being a new dweeb again, but once an addict always and addict I guess

I really like the community here and that I regularly seem to see HiTec in the MA flying and talking with everyone. It all reminds me a little of the DOS AW days. Oh well, enough of this off topic stuff...
Great to be here,
StuB

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Originally posted by Westy:
StuB? From about three, four years ago in AW BigWeek???

-Westy

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #40 on:** March 11, 2001, 01:33:00 PM »

Since 1.06 (Fighter vs Fighter only):

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #41 on:** March 11, 2001, 01:35:00 PM »

The F4u-1C is the only CV launched plane equiped to battle the high end offerings. The SpitIX and N1K2 have been used more than the F4u-1C since 1.06 came out.

There is no need to perk it anymore unless its real competition is perked too. Unfortunately, that would mean perking 25% of the aircraft in the arena. I'm not for that at all.

AKDejaVu

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #42 on:** March 11, 2001, 01:42:00 PM »

BTW, the C.202 has been used as much in the last 3 days as it was in the first week of this tour.

AKDejaVu

Tac · « **Reply #43 on:** March 11, 2001, 02:18:00 PM »

"geeze... saying that it's allright for a newbie to get killed by a perk plane because... He woulda died anyway? Yeah... that'l make him feel a lot better. How's about this? why would anyone with skill wish to kill newbies with a perk ride? I say that it's bull. The perk system assures that the arena is unfair parity of olane wise, 100% of the time. The latest plane additions merely shift the war to late war and make the earlier planes useless.."

eh? So you saying give the newbie the ta-152 and pit him against the vet in the 202? The newbie will still have a damn high chance of getting shot down.

I like what is proposed here, but with a twist. Have the arena split up the tour's 30 days into the 3 eras.. Early, Mid and Late war. The first 10 days would see early war planes be free, mid war be really cheap perks, late war be expensive perks. Next 10 days, mid-war comes into effect, early war planes will gain twice the perkies from killing mid war planes, mid war planes will cease to be perked, late war planes become cheap perks. Last 10 days make early war planes gain 4X perkies when they kill a late war plane, mid war planes gain 2X perkies when killing a late war plane (but gain only half perkies when killing an early war), late war planes cease to be perked (except for the mega uber rides) and gain 1/3rd perkies when killing early war and 1/2 perkies when killing midwar.

This way the planeset would "evolve" as would the perk point gain/spending.

The only thing needed are more early war planes in AH *hint* *hint* (HT

).

lemur · « **Reply #44 on:** March 11, 2001, 03:22:00 PM »

Stop stealing my ideas Tac.

AND STOP READING MY MIND!

~Lemur