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Offline M.C.202

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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2001, 03:51:00 AM »
GRUNHERZ said:


- to all the chog amazinhunks who say it isnt, why the hell does it get so much use?


Cuz it's blue and don't smell of rotten cabbage? :-)


How about "advertising makes it happen"?


If people spent as much time squeaking about how "Uber" the C202 is, more people would fly
it to "get an edge".

As it (Chog) IS a good aircraft with guns that support snap shots, the user sees no need to change. Other aircraft could do that too.


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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2001, 03:56:00 AM »
2 of the top 3 in K/D are LW rides   Maybe you're right Santa hehe.

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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2001, 05:25:00 AM »
Yeah right, say 202 is good and it will get 20% of all kills!!?!? Oh man, face it guys, the CHog is unbalancing the MA!!! And as stated such a high K/D with that broad use is just amazing!!!

I won't argue about Hispano lazers now - just read the numbers! BTW, can someone put those numbers in a graph - maybe THAT would make it easier for the average CHog pilot to understand...

A plane that hardly saw the 200s is dominating the arena of a game that wanted to cover WW2 arial combat as a whole...  

Ok, give us some german experimental planes for free as well and we will bring balance back ourselfs...  

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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2001, 05:28:00 AM »
Here's the quote that really nails it:

Torgo said:

Actually, it's AMAZING that the CHog Kill/Death is as HIGH as it is.

Rarely is the most popular AC among the highest K/D..it's usually some sort of hard to fly, but capable, AC flown by a group of
hard-core experten that isn't that popular overall.


                 To have a K/D that high with so much of the arena flying it...that really tells you something.

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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2001, 05:56:00 AM »
Gregory "Pappy" Boyington never flew a cannon hog.  If all you Cannon Hawg pilots think your re-enacting "Baa Baa Black Sheep" you are flying the wrong Hawg.

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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2001, 06:00:00 AM »
The P-40 had a 15:1 kill to death Ratio in China, that is 10 x what the C-Hawg is getting in AH.

I don't think its too much to ask for the P-40B in AH.  Also, I don't want them to Perk the C-Hawg, cause then someone would use it as justification to perk the P-40B.

2 X .50 and 4 X .30 calibers of pure death and destruction!

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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2001, 07:15:00 AM »
You guys just dont get what I said, so ill just repeat it. Sorry I tried to present such a difficult concept in a short post, I should have considerd the audience first.

With all the unskilled NEWBIES flying the chog in such huge numbers, its simply amazing that it gets that high K/D vs fighters. Remember this is just vs fighters, so your old chog roadkill excuse of GV killing no longer means anything. And if the chog only gets flown by NEWBIES because they hear the chog horror stories, why do they continue to fly it? Really if its so hard to fly as u chog amazinhunks say, wouldnt the newbies aban it in droves after they found  this out????  

Understand now, or do I have to post again?

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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2001, 07:38:00 AM »
Was going to make the same point, Grunherz. Thanks for saving me the trouble.  
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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2001, 08:34:00 AM »
I repeat again...

26000 kills

TWENTY SIX THOUSAND KILLS

Are product of the C-hog in the Main Arena of Aces High. TWENTY SIX THOUSAND.

I could care less the K/D of the frigging UFO. I could care less the Turbolasers, anything.

THe problem is not that it has 1.35 K/D THE FRIGGIN PROBLEM IS THAT OF EACH HUNDRED OF KILLS IN THE MAIN ARENA MORE THAN TWENTY ARE DONE BY A CHOG!!!!!!

I know you Chog drivers are slow to understand, but really one MUST be blind not to see that the damned thing is F**king up the game.

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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2001, 08:50:00 AM »
Just to change the subjest a bit from the CHOG rants, but isn't it strange that the Typhoon is the RAF's best air to air fighter, better even than the Spit? In real life the Tiffie was a failure as a fighter, and only remained in production for it's ground attack abilities.

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« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2001, 08:56:00 AM »
Good point, heres why

1. 4 hispano vs 2
2. Wildly overmodeled roll rate (soon to be fixed I hear)
3. Fastest plane at low alt by far
4. Accelerates fast if it has 10ft of alt
5. Very manuverable at speed, tied to incorrect roll rate I guess
5. Turns well too at medium to high speeds
6. Can always run away spit cant

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« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2001, 09:40:00 AM »
Grunherz...can you type slower?  I don't want to miss one syllable of your infinite wisdom.
On behalf of simpletons everywhere, thank you.

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« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2001, 09:53:00 AM »
Just checked my stats for tour 12

Kills

Chog    16%
TBM    13%
A6M    10%
Seafire 10%
N1K2    8%

Killed by

Chog    44%
N1K2    10%
109F    7%
Shipgun 7%
Seafire 5%

Kills using

La5   74%
F6F   8%
Ostwind 6%
Seafire 5%
109G10 2%


Damm the Chog ! … I’d perk it cos it make me cranky ..hehehe  


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« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2001, 10:16:00 AM »
I don't think I have ever been in a sim that had a membership so quick to eliminate options...

The 1C is perfect for field suppression, you know, the Osti fest that precedes a field capture. It drops hangars. It will vultch with ammo to spare. Sure its numbers will be high, it does this job better than any other plane. As long as people try to lift off under the "Blue Curtain" Vought engineers smile from beyond.

Those numbers can support whatever cause you wish to champion. Not to say they are useless, but one must know what type of flying generated the numbers, and what control. Without a common control, the test data won't do you much good.

Example:

Take each plane out to furball at sea level. Check stats.
  • Take each plane out and ground attack. Check stats.
  • Anti-Osti work. Check stats.
You get the idea. Even then, this wouldn't represent truly what the planes do, as you have various levels of competencies amongst the pilots. The point is, it gives you a rough idea how effective a particular plane has been in the arena in a month, but it in no way tells you how or why.

I don't like running into the same aircraft over and over, but I can honestly tell you that I know I am going to survive longer against a cloud of F4U's than Spits or Nikki's, regardless of what I am in.

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« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2001, 10:47:00 AM »
Nashwan spake thusly:  
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Just to change the subjest a bit from the CHOG rants, but isn't it strange that the Typhoon is the RAF's best air to air fighter, better even than the Spit? In real life the Tiffie was a failure as a fighter, and only remained in production for it's ground attack abilities.

Asside from some of the possible flight model issues such as roll, there is a more simple explanation.  If most of the ETO combat in WWII was short-ranged and below 10K feet, you bet your bellybutton the Typhoon would have been a great plane.  The majority of WWII air combat in the ETO happened at high altitude where the Typhoon doesn't perform well.  For the same reason, the P47 is at a much greater disadvantage in AH because it's strength is the high altitude stuff that doesn't happen much in AH.  That has more to do with the Typhoon being such a good choice in the arena than any other factor IMHO.

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