Author Topic: Tour 12 Fighter vs Fighter stats (Read 1984 times)

Toad · « **Reply #45 on:** February 03, 2001, 05:57:00 PM »

Come on RAM....what percent of arena kills is "too many"?

Because the day is going to come when an aircraft other than the -1C has "too many".

Come on. Take a stand. State your true belief. Quit hiding.

I hardly believe that people really like to fight the same plane all the time...toadie

I'm sure a diminutive like you needs to use the diminutive to feel equal. Go right ahead.

Seems to me though, that what you can "hardly believe" is that YOU are in the minority.

HO's, F4U-1C's, threats to quit....you're always on the "play my way or else" side.
You have no tolerance for what other people believe or the way they want to play.

As Wardog has pointed out many times, just play the game and adapt to change as necessary.

Almost everyone but you seems to be able to do that.

Be brave, Ram.

What percentage of arena kills is "too many" for any plane?

RAM · « **Reply #46 on:** February 03, 2001, 06:10:00 PM »

Hey toadie, see, I wont say a number, is nothing related to numbers. Is simply that 26000 kills out of 125000 aprox, are done by a single plane.

Hey! why dont you start and say what is for YOU an unballancing plane? what is unballancing for YOU? What is the less limit where you'd say that a single plane is ruining the Main arena? 50%? 75%?

come on toadie...be brave...be brave because you NEVER are...you call people things but you never try to explain your position....

HTC said that they will perk "planes that proved unbalancing for the main arena"

You say that 20% is not enough, is evident, huh?...

Comeon...what's your limit?

Be brave, toad

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214thCavalier · « **Reply #47 on:** February 03, 2001, 07:35:00 PM »

I cant help feeling that somethings being overlooked here with regard to the 1C's kills.
AH is about Field captures and demolition of strategic positions IE factorys,city etc.
(Well for some anyway)
THE best attack aircraft is undoubtedly the 1C in my book.
Fly in kill the VH, + AA then what invariably happens VULCH time !
Personally I rarely get involved in the vulches tho and try to use the F4UD just cos i think its harder

This has NOTHING to do with how good the 1c is at ACM its all about going up and down strafing fighters on take off, sure its cannons can be 1 hit wonders and it pisses me off when they hit me especially if i am flying rings around it and get hit with a golden bullet.
Now if people stop lifting from fields being capped by 1C's then i reckon its Kill rate would drop dramatically.

Torgo · « **Reply #48 on:** February 03, 2001, 08:16:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Jekyll:
As much as I dislike the Hog-C, I don't think it should be perked.

As modelled in AH, the Hog-C is a Marine Corps aircraft. Fine, disable it for carriers and see what happens to its kill percentage next tour.

As I've had to point out about a billion times, Marine Corps CHogs operated off Escort Carriers in the Okinawa Campaign, and in 1944-1945 there were a number of Marine squadrons that solely operated off Carriers.

As far as I know right now, I can't find any evidence of any combat CHog sorties that WEREN'T off Carriers.

Toad · « **Reply #49 on:** February 03, 2001, 10:29:00 PM »

Diminutive Ram,

Here's what you will never understand:

I don't care what anyone else flies; never have, never will. Period.

It's their $30.

Tough concept for you, isn't it?

Nothing is unbalancing for me. Introduce the Me-262, don't perk it; I won't care. I'll still be mainly in the Jug or Mustang. I'm on record as saying the D-9 shouldn't be perked. Bring on Luft-WHA!-ffe F-16's! I still won't care.

Like MOST of the others in this sim, I just play. I don't worry if someone is playing the way I play or not.

I've made this position clear over and over again.

You'll never understand it, little boy.

You are afraid to put a number on your fears, aren't you Ram? Afraid that if you say 10, 15, or 18% a plane you like may eventually reach that number. Then you won't be able to play the way YOU like. Oh dear!

HO's still bother you don't they? LOL. Why won't everyone play the way you want them to Ram?

Chute shooters still bother you don't they?

Why won't everyone play the way you want them to?

Don't they recognize your leadership and brilliance?

Fly what you like. Like what you fly. Don't worry about how the other guy plays.

It's a game.

Be Brave. State a number Ram. One that we can hold you to.

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RAM · « **Reply #50 on:** February 03, 2001, 10:39:00 PM »

LOL

Toad(ie)...you know, when I used to take you seriously I was doing a quite serious error

You are funny

RAM · « **Reply #51 on:** February 03, 2001, 10:43:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Toadie:
You are afraid to put a number on your fears, aren't you Ram? Afraid that if you say 10, 15, or 18% a plane you like may eventually reach that number. Then you won't be able to play the way YOU like. Oh dear!
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Chute shooters still bother you don't they? Why won't everyone play the way you want them to?

LOL, almost missed this jewel!!! maybe you are referring to the Fw190D9?, toadie?

No, I dont fear it will be very used, first of all because will be difficult to handle, way more than a p51, and secondly because a lot of people hate german iron. The P51D, and La7 will see quite more use than the 190D9. And of course there is the blue Turbolaser Wonder and the Green Japonese UFO...

And regarding the chute killing thing...he he he, I have discovered a very nice use for the 7.92mm MGs in the A5...

Killing Chog and Niki chutes is SOOOO Funny...D

Sorry man, you should know already that I take you as a funny clown...but hey! was a good try!

Keep on trying toadie!

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Toad · « **Reply #52 on:** February 03, 2001, 10:49:00 PM »

No balls, eh Ram?

Didn't think so.

Ram" "Hey! why dont you start and say what is for YOU an unballancing plane?

I did what you asked. Now you run away.

Ram: "you call people things but you never try to explain your position...."

I've explained my position; many, many times.

Please show me a post where I "call people things".

I doubt you'll find me calling folks "HO dweeb" "C-hog dweeb" or "turbolaser dweeb"...or anything else for that matter. Any of those ring a bell with you though?

At least I never took you seriously.
Your latest epsiode of running away from the issue is a perfect example of why few do.

Still afraid to fly under the "RAM" handle in the MA?

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RAM · « **Reply #53 on:** February 03, 2001, 10:51:00 PM »

LOL!! apart of being a funny clown you show you have no brains, sir (hi hi hi)

If you knew to read you should have discovered that I have already given two numbers as short of unnaceptable. In a quite implicit way ,true...but I have given them.

Learn to read, little Toadie!...or better!...learn to PROCESSATE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU READ!

Toad · « **Reply #54 on:** February 03, 2001, 11:01:00 PM »

One number Ram.

The absolute maximum you will accept without whining.

Or run and hide again.

Like you did by changing handles.

RAM · « **Reply #55 on:** February 03, 2001, 11:05:00 PM »

this is getting better and better...and better and better

BTW, really you have stuck in your mind that I have changed handles huh? really hurts you so much that as I dont say a thing in #1 any more you can't use it against me in the boards? Hurts, huh? because you were used to do it

hehehehe almost 4 months already and still noone (that I dont want him to) knows who I am...Poor Toadie...

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BTW I suggest you,really, to learn to read and understand. Again, I have mentioned the number already.

If it F**s you up then is ur problem, because the numbers are there, already posted, and said by RAM. One number vastly unnacceptable, other very short from being it. Learn to read toadie.

BTW the turns of post-answer-counteranswer-countercounteranswer are gone. Ramble all you want against me around here, because I wont answer you again in this thread

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Hangtime · « **Reply #56 on:** February 03, 2001, 11:58:00 PM »

It's a gawdammned DISGRACE!

Only 9300 kills, 9700 deaths!!! and a crummy .97 k/d.. THIS IS UNNACCEPABLE!

They gotta start givin folks a test before they let 'em fly ponies.

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Midnight · « **Reply #57 on:** February 04, 2001, 01:17:00 AM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B:
I don't see the problem with the F4U-1C...

If you perk the F4U-1C, then the people flying it will fly something else. If only about 40% of them switch to the N1K2-J (which is quite possible), then THAT will have 1/5 of the kills in the arena.

Will you then have to perk the N1K2-J?

If you do, then those pilots will move to a third plane and you'll end up having to perk that one too. Eventually, you'll be left with the silly predicament of having to perk planes like the 109G2 and Macci 205.

I don't think so. Let's say you perk the Chog and then that N1K with the anti-gravity pods. After those two, there isn't really another plane that can get the magic kills the Chog and N1K can get. The chog more-so. Any newbie can pull the trigger and get a "kodak moment" easy kill by chopping off someones rear stabs. Too Easy.

Spit can't do that, neither can Tiffy. I haven't had it happen by these other planes.

I would like to see a new set of stats showing the K/D of the F4U-C in two cataories
1. By pilots with a K/D of .999 or less.
2. By pilots with a K/D of 1.000 or better.

I think you will see just how many "fly and die" pilots are getting kills in the dweeb-mobile.

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Laika · « **Reply #58 on:** February 04, 2001, 01:35:00 AM »

I can see this is getting ugly

I've tried out the Chog for the first time this tour, I can now see why its so popular. Set the conv long, take snaps at anything under 700yds (use it like a shotgun), continue until ammo or fuel is gone, rtb with 3+ kills refuel and repeat.

I'd love to fight the Chog in a historical match up but I dont even know what it fought ? How many were used in WW2 ? and what did they fight ? Were they used in Europe or just the Pacific ?

Seriously I dont care if its perked or not in the MA as its just a "quake" arena anyway.... I'm just a little pissed that 44% of my deaths are from them, I'd call it a "spray and pray" bird but there is no need to pray

Laika
(longing for a HA)

Jigster · « **Reply #59 on:** February 04, 2001, 01:55:00 AM »

As it is, the only concrete, arguable point every conceived in this thread is that the 1C is the only USMC plane represented so far.

So people want to fly a Hog... How would perking the 1C prevent them from doing so? Why does such a small change cause such a drastic disparity between two near identical types? Why do no other variants exhibit this?

If the Spit IX were perked because it's generally much more poplular then the Spit V, and by most factors make it obsolete, what would the Spit lover say?

Now what of the 1C? What if it is perked?

Is the 1D that serious of a downgrade from the 1C? Is it uncompetitive against any plane that the 1C is?

Also, for another example, say a G10 and a G10/R-6...does each fill a roll? Are their differences in flying characteristics that would lead to picking one or the other for different situations?

Nothing against the 1C, but come on that's rather silly. If you were taking away a variant that would make a plane type uncompetitive in some way I would fully understand...surely people can get over their cannon crutch?

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