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Offline texace

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« on: February 03, 2002, 08:46:31 PM »
Now I face a delima. I'm a freelance writer (well, I just do it for fun, but that's not important) and currently have........NOTHING published. Well, yet...but the delima I face is one of subject. Currently I am writting chatpers to a "novel" about my alter-ego. (Those who or have children who are interested in role-playing know what I am talking about.) I also have stories about WWII aviation (European theatre) in a bound book here at home. I understand that some of you might like to read them...but I wanted to send them to a publisher. Does anyone here think they would enjoy reading a science fiction action novel? What about the WWII stuff I have? I just want some other opinions before I send these off to get them published. Oh, BTW, I do take requests...and have done "UBB novels" before...;)

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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2002, 08:49:52 PM »
Yep. My suggestion is edit, edit, edit. Have it gone over with a fine-tooth comb, both for grammar/spelling and story. I don't know, but it's possible that publishers will be less inclined to take you seriously (due to your age) unless you make sure it's very good indeed. Depends upon where you go. I'm sure that it's all very good material. Just make sure you include the best of the best out of what you've written, and you should do fine.

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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2002, 10:09:01 PM »
Be sure to cull your work, take out any unneeded flotsam. Make it sleek and easy to read. Make sure it moves along at a good pace. If you've got copies of the SF action story floating around I'd be happy to have a look.

im no editor but I've read many many books, especially SF and fantasy. plus i'm studying writing and journalism at the moment as a little aside to my day job :).

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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2002, 10:13:06 PM »
create a new cliche and you're rich.

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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2002, 10:17:54 PM »
Create a new advertising slogan

EDIT

I hope you don't spell dilemma in your stories like you did in the subject ;).
« Last Edit: February 03, 2002, 10:20:41 PM by gavor »

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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2002, 12:45:07 AM »
write everything honest the first time through - just belt it out and avoid too much re-write.

write what you are really thinking, dont soften your thoughts - if you write in an honest mood for yourself you wont need much editing.

when i start writing like a publisher-potato pansy i go read some william s. burroughs or hemmingway to snap out of it.

someone else can check your grammar, it's more important to have a good story or characters you can sweat with.

some editors will send you proposed changes that will often center around 'plot points'.  on things like screenplays they literally count scenes and tell you to develop the character in 'x' way before scene 'y'. it's ridiculous and it's why a lot of work seems the same. the public buys up formulaic slop and publishers know that.

dont go for these changes, you'll get published quicker but you will be putting out millwork and thats negates the achievement of writing.

oh yeah, be sure to mail a copy of your completed script to yourself certified mail before you start shopping publishers etc. there are a lot of unscrupulous people out there and this is a cheap way to establish proof if someone steals it.

avoid writers groups especially on the web - everything they say, they "write" - it gets so that you cant get realistic feedback, its all meant to sound 'writerly'.

see how easy that is? ;) good luck.

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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2002, 01:02:16 AM »
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write everything honest the first time through - just belt it out and avoid too much re-write.
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Hey this rings true....

Not because I'm a writer, but because Sean Connery said so. :D
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2002, 08:12:33 AM »
Post a snippet of what you're writing here - I am sure you'll get some brutally honest opinions on your style of writing.

Better that than some arse lickers saying "all is good ".

The above is an example of graphically overstating something unimportant. :D

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2002, 10:51:42 AM »
Alright, alright...so i can't spell...I was tired, ok? My meds are too strong... Ayways...by suggestion...here's a snip from the fifth chapter in my science fiction novel...I don't feel like explaining details...but yes, there is a love element in it...beware names, though...

     
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Rouge sighed and looked around. "How long has it been? Three years? This place really had degraded in that time." he said to himself, looking at a fallen light in his cell. "What? Are you talking to me?" Pigma asked, grinning at him. Rouge glared at him. "No, bug off and leave me alone." he said, turning his back to him. He heard him shuffle, before he was hit lightly on the back by a small piece of debris. He growled, but didn't turn. After a minute, he heard Pigma giggle before being struck again. He turned and looked at Pigma. "Will you stop that you filthy swine!" he yelled. Pigma grinned. "Aw...did I hurt your feelings?" he asked. Rouge stood and stepped over to the bars. "Oh...what are you going to do? Stare me into submission?" Pigma said. Suddenly, Pigma grunted, spasmed slightly, and fell to the floor, groaning. Rouge looked in surprise, before looking around the hall. He saw a figure approach the wounded Pigma and bend down. With a slight *twang*, Pigma fell silent. "Who are you!" Rouge yelled, backing into the corner. The figure straightened and looked at him. "Who are you!"  Rouge yelled again, cowering slightly. The figure did not answer, but instead placed its silenced pistol against the lock and fired, destroying the lock. Rouge was backing into the wall. "What do you want?" he asked, beginning to sweat. The figure approached him slowly and deliberately, casually stepping into the dim light. Rouge collapsed to his knees. "Oh thank God." he said, looking up at Kaje, who was now standing over him. "You alright?" she asked, bending down to him. He nodded. "I am now. I thought for sure you'd been killed in the base explosion." he said, looking up at her. Kaje unsheathed her knife and cut Rouge's bindings. "I almost was, but luckily I was able to get out. Not totally unscathed, though." she said, showing Rouge the cuts and scratches on her arms, legs, and face as he stood. Rouge ran his hand lightly down her face. "Well...luckily you are alright...and I thank you for coming after me." he said. She grinned. "Hey, I can't let you die yet. You still have much worth in my book." she said, kissing him lightly on the cheek. "Oh, I found these...you seem to have left them behind." she said, holding out his shotgun and pistol. Rouge's eyes lit up. "Wow! Thanks." he said, taking his weapons back. He pulled the slide on the pistol back and grinned at her. "Shall we?" he said, extending his hand to her.


Cheezy, eh? :D I know, I know...but that's waht I felt lke writing...here's a snip from one of my WWII  stories:

     
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I grab a quick breakfast of pancakes and sit at a table. Jeff, Alex, Cory, Matt, and a new pilot, a fresh transfer from the 301st, a Second Lieutenant James Gaynor, all join me. Jeff, Cory, and Matt all have about fifteen maple syrup packets in their hands, and they drop I estimate about forty-five on the table. Jeff looks at me with a grin. "Wanna guess to see how many packets of syrup those flapjacks will absorb?" He asks with a grin. I smile at him. "Go for it." I say, taking one off and pushing the three others toward the center of the table. I eat while they pour packet after packet on them, each time I can see that the entire packet gets absorbed and the pancakes are completely dry. They keep going, and eventually I'm in there with them, pouring on my own. We're all laughing loudly as Cory pours number thirty on them. It appears they can hold no more, and the syrup rolls right off. I reach over and cut into the pancakes with my fork, and not a drop comes out of them. We all had a good laugh at that.


There's no action in this scene...but there's plenty of it...as seen here:

     
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The last two Arados, upon seeing their comrades go down, begin to pull away, no doubt ramming their throttles full forward. "Alex, give chase to the one on the right!" I order, pushing into WEP. My target slowly opens away from me, but my extra horsepower give me just enough speed to close up on him. Alex was faster and takes his target, knocking the right engine clean off, sending his target to a fiery demise. He Immelmans and joins the others in a heated dogfight. I continue chasing my target, until I'm almost right on top of him. I smile as I pull the trigger, spewing hot lead into the jet. Then something I wasn't expecting happens. One of my rounds strikes the fuel tank, igniting the volatile jet fuel. The whole airplane explodes, and I'm too close to avoid it. I clamp my eyes shut as I fly through the fireball. As I pass through, I hear a loud BANG followed by shattering glass. My left arm then erupts in fire. I scream as I open my eyes. A piece of the jet slammed into my canopy, breaking through and lodging into my left bicep. I look at my arm. The shrapnel hit my arm about six inches below the shoulder, and it's bleeding pretty badly. "I'm bleeding. Golly-geenit I've been hit with debris!" I yell. The wind is whipping through the hole in the canopy as I turn around. "It hurts!" I scream as I push the stick forward to gain speed. "Sir, are you ok?" Jeff asks. "No, I'm bugging out!" I say. "Roger, good luck!" Cory comes back.


There you have it...some examples of my work...:D
« Last Edit: February 04, 2002, 10:54:58 AM by texace »

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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2002, 11:01:54 AM »
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Create a new advertising slogan

EDIT

I hope you don't spell dilemma in your stories like you did in the subject ;).


bastage you beat me to it!!! :D

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2002, 04:50:26 PM »
The quick and the not so quick, loser :).


I'll have a read of your snippets later texace, haven't had coffee yet so my brain is on hold.

All of fish's suggestions are good. Don't worry about getting the format right the first time. Just write what you're thinking while its still fresh and exciting. Once that's done have a re-read and cut out any dead wood. Fix up obvious spelling errors and grammar probs. Then give it to a close friend to read through.

I find it easiest to write up my plot and characters first then do a chapter outline. Next I get someone to look at it and check it makes sense.

If you dont already, leave notebooks lying all around the house/car/work and pens in easy to get at places. You never know when that great idea will come along. Expecially important is one near the bed. The best ideas come when you're asleep or at 4am in the morning.

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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2002, 06:36:49 PM »
I know...that's what I do...but these I usually try and map out before I put them down...less stress on me. ;) I'm working right now on getting them edited...others seem to enjoy them...but I'm still not sure...anyways...back to work...:D

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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2002, 07:55:33 PM »
puntage for opinions...;)

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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2002, 02:52:50 PM »
Only because you asked:

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Rouge sighed and looked around. "How long has it been? Three years? This place really had degraded in that time." he said to himself, looking at a fallen light in his cell. "What? Are you talking to me?" Pigma asked, grinning at him. Rouge glared at him. "No, bug off and leave me alone." he said, turning his back to him. He heard him shuffle, before he was hit lightly on the back by a small piece of debris. He growled, but didn't turn. After a minute, he heard Pigma giggle before being struck again. He turned and looked at Pigma. "Will you stop that you filthy swine!" he yelled. Pigma grinned. "Aw...did I hurt your feelings?" he asked.


My suggested edit:

Rouge sighed and looked around noticing a fallen light in his cell. "How long has it been? Three years? This place really has degraded".
"What? Are you talking to me?" Pigma grinned at him.
Rouge glared back, "No, bug off and leave me alone." Turning his back.
He heard a shuffle, before he was hit lightly on the back by a small piece of debris. He growled, but didn't turn. After a minute, he heard Pigma giggle before being struck again.
"Will you stop that you filthy swine!" he yelled. Pigma grinned. "Aw...did I hurt your feelings?"


I salute you for making the effort. Keep writing!

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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2002, 04:51:27 PM »
Jeff, Matt, Alex and Cory don't strike me as being very common 1940s names... the latter two especially.