Author Topic: Perk the spit 9 (Read 1086 times)

Mitsu · « **Reply #15 on:** February 07, 2002, 07:56:29 AM »

I suggest perking Leviathn's SpitV!!!

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Mitsu
Stab./JG1 "Oesau"
"Let me fly Tony, it's an Axis plane!"

Maniac · « **Reply #16 on:** February 07, 2002, 08:21:55 AM »

You do know that the SpitIX has better acceleration then P51´s right?

K West · « **Reply #17 on:** February 07, 2002, 08:35:24 AM »

OK. According to my sources the Spitfire IX should do 535mph at 10k feet anbd climb at 6500 feet per minute with a 100% fuel load. And that is before it engages it's built in rocket engine.

It says so here. Page 4:

This is the master reference used by many relaxed realism players in a place far, far, away and long ago.

Westy

stat2000 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 07, 2002, 08:40:25 AM »

In a dive with a P51D co alt 10-15k after the spit pulls a loop it should catch you...um sure...or lets try this one p51d doing 400 climbing up spit on the deck maybe doing 300 and outclimbs you???

Sikboy · « **Reply #19 on:** February 07, 2002, 08:54:07 AM »

Just as a demonstration of the variables involved....
How do you know he was only doing 300? Did you pull an bellybutton ton of G's going into a climb? What were the net conditions at the time? All I'm saying is that there are many different reasons why these things can be happening. It's like UFO sightings, a whole bunch of people are convinced that they've seen flying saucers, but I've never witnessed it myself. Looks like Scully better open an X-File on this.

-Sikboy

SELECTOR · « **Reply #20 on:** February 07, 2002, 09:37:53 AM »

PERK THE SPIT!?!
why not perk 'em all while your at it.'specialy the one that shoot you down!
No no no no NO! do not perk the spit.Its perfect as a beginer plane ( no Beginer plane no new players). Its perfect as a experienced pilots plane.
If you can't handle a spit (which i think is better all round than 51)with your P51 then you need to practice a bit more.
A GOOD PILOT IN A SPIT WILL ALWAYS BEAT A BAD PILOT IN ANY OTHER AIRCRAFT..it has been proven over and over again..

more power to your elbow..

Kweassa · « **Reply #21 on:** February 07, 2002, 10:29:40 AM »

"It's like UFO sightings, a whole bunch of people are convinced
that they've seen flying saucers, but I've never witnessed it
myself. Looks like Scully better open an X-File on this. "

Well, I there is that thing with torque

....

P-51s zoom up to about 100mph, and when it stalls, it stalls
horribly, so they can't do really tightly calculated Ropes...
In case of 109s they can go down to hefty 50 mph vertical
but the plane keeps squriming out of control, leaning/waning
to one side...

I don't feel much torque when I fly a Spit straight vertical.
I remember when I tried a vertical with a Spit..It noses up
but I didn't feel any sort of warnings of stall.. nor did I have
to influence the controls to keep the nose straight up.

I was fairly surprised when the plane just went straight
vertical and reached absolute 0 mph, and then, without any
sort of indication, just plain fell into flat spin.

..

Spits and N1K2s don't hang as long as other planes, but once
they go vertical, they just go straight up.

And then that point where the 600~700 yard spraying with
Hispies and Type99s

come out and..

..

but still,

Spit9 should not be perked.

Maybe some indication of torque, yes.. but I can't think of
ANY reason to perk a Spit9.

mauser · « **Reply #22 on:** February 07, 2002, 10:36:28 AM »

Westy! I had that exact same book... about 15-20 yrs ago lol

I don't think spits need to be perked (when the Spit XIV arrives, leave it a low cost perk and see how the arena evolves.. no need to price it like a tempest yet). Don't fight their fight and no matter what you see on ch.1, it'll be nothing compared to what you'll see if you get shot down...

mauser

Hooligan · « **Reply #23 on:** February 07, 2002, 11:19:08 AM »

Well Spit Vs have been killing me a lot lately so perk them. And unlike other's claims mine are easily verifiable just by going to the score page.

In fact I support instantaneous on demand perking. How about if at any time a cannon shell is about to hit my aircraft, the firing aircraft is perked on demand. Basically, when this happens the offending aircraft should just disapear (since the perk cost has not been paid) and the pilot is left hanging in midair. And no, they do not get a parachute! Anybody unscrupulous enough to actually shoot me does not deserve even this slight consideration.

Hooligan

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #24 on:** February 07, 2002, 11:45:25 AM »

Hooligan, you will end up being RAMMED over'n over by the same spitV

Dago · « **Reply #25 on:** February 07, 2002, 12:32:19 PM »

The best idea is to subtract perk points from a players total for each whine he makes, in the game or on this board.

I would also recommend a lose of some perk points when someone types any of the following:

1) Runstang
2) Spitdweeb
3) HO
4) Come back and fight
5) Shouldnt have been able to kill me
6) xxxx is overmodeled
7) shot my chute
8) N1k is ..........

And also, lose a chunk of perks each time the language filter kicks in.

Maybe then the whining would be reduced.

Lets make it a kindler gentler game. hehehehe

Dago

Glasses · « **Reply #26 on:** February 07, 2002, 01:15:10 PM »

Glad the term of toejamfire has caught on and for our German Speaking folk "ScheissFeuer",should also be on the list.

Mandoble is quite right a Spit MkIX in its high alt performance can hold its own very much against Ta152H-1. In a high alt fight , performance does not seem to diminish much.

The spitfireIX is an amazing aircraft in AH requiring the pilot to ,in order to survive an engagement have the element of surprise and hold extra speed to get clear of its guns, and if a turn must be made in any mediocre turner, be sure you're well clear of the effective gun range simply, when they bite, they bite Depleted Uranium hard.

The only plane I've found that can TnB effectively against a spit for a meaturable amount of time would be the 205,maybe I was lucky that day or just maybe the other guy didn't know how to use his machine effectively.

It is true this plane can exit a tight turn with sufficient speed to get a firing solution . If the machine is better than your aircraft, then the pilot has to think ahead of the cappabilities of what the machine can do.

Again, against a Spit never turn in front of it and if it must be done do it with considerable distance and away from the flight path of it also, a high speed dive with a sudden change of direction is exceptional for shaking those pesky Shceissfeuer off your tail due to the fact that once they reach above a certain speed their rolling diminishes enough to cause them not to be able to follow.

Hals und beinbruch!

gatt · « **Reply #27 on:** February 07, 2002, 02:22:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Glasses
The only plane I've found that can TnB effectively against a spit for a meaturable amount of time would be the 205,maybe I was lucky that day or just maybe the other guy didn't know how to use his machine effectively

Glasses,
the C.205 cannot TnB with the Spitfire IX. No way. We have tested both plane estensively and the Spitfire IX always wins the close dogfight. The C.205 is only faster up to 18-20K and has a very good high speed handling. The only tactics that works with Spitfires IX is Hit&Climb. What saves us C.205 pilots is that (generally speaking) the average Spitfire IX pilot usually flies at medium speeds and choose the horizontal plane to fight. If you fly the Spitfire IX like a C.205 or a 109G you will be soon a k/d=10 pilot.

pbirmingham · « **Reply #28 on:** February 07, 2002, 02:50:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Mitsu
I suggest perking Leviathn's SpitV!!!

Let's just perk Leviathn.

Lephturn · « **Reply #29 on:** February 07, 2002, 03:12:59 PM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Spit (any model) have a tremendous acceleration at level and diving, it is also one of the best zoom climbers and divers in the AH skies. Probably the best hi-alt performer (Ta152H?? LOL). It has two "ping=some part broken by sure" guns, and, if not enough, it is the best overal turner in the game. Surprisingly, it is unperked... IMO, it has also some kind of anti-G ultrasecret device.

How about a shred of information to back up your claims of this anti-G device? Some simple tests should prove your point. As usual you shoot your mouth off with rediculous claims without any evidence at all.

The Spit is not some uber plane, and it isn't even very fast. It is one of the best E fighters in the game, and it has a decent gun set. It doesn't come close to needing to be perked IMO, just because a few very vocal folks can't seem to get their ego around the idea that good pilots can kill them in it.

It should not be perked for rarity and it should not be perked for performance. It was produced in large numbers in WWII, it is not the best climber, the fastest, the biggest guns, the best diver, or even the best turner. I can't think of any good reason to perk a plane that's just "pretty good" at everything. If somebody thinks it's flight model is wrong, some simple tests should illustrate that. I suggest folks just learn how to handle flying against the Spit... it's really not that tough to beat, it's just a pretty good all around performer.

Lephturn